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Originally Posted by fatoni
performance cars or sports cars? the frs is a huge failure performance wise.
calling the mrs and the celica flops is a bit of an overstatement dont you think? the things lasted 25 years. like them or not the mr2 is in every sense a sports car and they didnt stop selling those until 2007.
the lfa is a flop just like the frs is a flop. they ignored chasing figures on a track and spent all their time and effort making a car that feels alive. subaru has never made a car that feels like a sports car. my friends old 450hp sti feels downright pedestrian compared a stock mr2. just because toyota makes their people movers like they are people movers it doesnt mean they will make their sports cars like them. just keep in mind that like it or not, toyotas last sports car they made was over 1000 lbs lighter than the last one subaru made.
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Are they even reading our posts? Even if they take the Supra as being the only performance car+ sports car + commercial success Toyota has had, it's still more than Subaru had. I absolutely love my STI, but people are crazy if they think Toyota doesn't know how to build a sports car. The LFA is a technical marvel and despite being overpriced, it sure wins votes for being a great driver's car. The MR2 just ended 5 years ago and was lauded for its balance and cult following of feel-influenced drivers. Toyota even has rally wins.
Subaru has the Impreza - an economic tarted up and put out to rallies where it's done well. But a great driver's car, it is not. And Subaru hasn't taken any risks in the last 4 years since the 2008 STI. I bought one because of that - they focused less on restyling and retooling and more on keeping the price low and that's why I bought it. Not because the platform is god's gift to driving or a bleeding edge sportscar.
Subaru and Toyota worked together on this car - maybe neither could have done it without the other. But claims that Toyota was some hobbled sportscar-inept conglomerate that needed Subaru's wisdom on how to create one just doesn't hold water.