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Originally Posted by Driftster
Tell that to Honda and the S2000..
They've been making light stiff chassis for years.....The F20 engine followed the exact same formula all their other engines did low torque high revs high hp...The thing was rather sluggish in a straight line it's potential came from it's ability to maintain speed in a corner...Yet how much did it cost originally? Around 40,000?
It happens all the time...
The TC uses an engine that has been in production for 3 years, which aside from the silly accordian manifold and dual valve control....could be said to have been around for 11 years..
The engine in the FT is BRAND new..Less than a year old.. Toyota doesn't make Box engines, yet they've taken subaru's FB and put their own spin on it...So no it's more than just "putting a trans tunnel and differential" out back to create this car..
Development costs and marketing DO go into every car...
How many cars are being as marketed as the ft86?
How many cars have had such a long ad campaign?
Ex...The new porsche 991, JUST got wind of it a week or two ago...Yet porsche already has multiple mules and prototypes in camo driving around and the car will be released by the start of next year...That's it..THIS car on the other hand...has been in prototype phase for 2-3 years......with lord knows how many mules and prototypes..
i'm going to doubt the fancy headwork ends up on the WRX as the FB20 is a n/a engine tuned for NA performance in which cfm movement isn't as huge a deal as having minimal valve overlap(a benefit to NA...but not with turbo)....Maybe the impreza RS, but STI? no...
Given subaru's history, heads is the ONE thing' they don't spread across the lineup.
How many Stripper TC's have you EVER seen?
Ontop of that, with all of the people on this board "expecting" the car to handle as good as a mx5 or a cayman and have an engine note that doesn't sound like a race horse with irritable bowel syndrome, chances are no one is going to buy one WITHOUT a LSD option, or coilover option, or exhaust option, or some spoiler...etc etc etc, considering TRD likes to make a bunch of half-useless crap for their cars
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Ad campaign? Where? We are more of a marketing campaign in a way than what Toyota has done with a couple of car shows and press-releases. This site isn't costing Toyota millions of dollars...
Overlap is handled by cams, not the head. Also something that Toyota did with the GE/GTE engines. Same head, different cams (at least in the Supras). Subaru is obviously trying something different, so who knows?
Porsche designs are very evolutionary, bad example.
FB engine development cost will be spread out over a million years, like the EJ. Impreza, Forester, Legacy... Performance version will be spread out with the WRX/STI.
S2000 example is dis-heartening but maybe, just maybe, Toyota will do the right thing, instead of letting dealers screw their customers because of the ZOMGWTFBBQ factor of the car.
I forgot about the talk of the LSD being standard. So tack on $500 to my number.
I don't care about every person that tacks on $8k of 'performance' options on their cars, so long as I don't have to. Not seeing 'un-optioned' tCs doesn't matter to me. (I hardy see tCs in Canada anyways...) They are available cheap. If retards want to pay more for electric yellow Release versions, their problem, not mine.