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Originally Posted by SVTSHC
I'm not understanding why so many people are finding 300bHP out of a 1.6L to be so farfetched in regards to reliability and cost. This thing is supposed to drop two years from now and we've been making big power with small displacement for a while now. It's not as though they're shooting for 1.6L NA 300bHP, there are plenty of options they could explore. Take the new tri-turbo M3 that'll be making it's debut in 2014, they're running two turbos (larger than the current N54 platform turbos) and a third electric turbo for low end. There isn't enough info on this thing to rule out their figures as impossible.
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This just reminded me that in the 80s BMW created a Formula 1 engine based on the M10 that pumped out 1000hp @11,000rpms from a turbo 4cylinder 1.5liter.
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Originally Posted by ichitaka05
So called "Anti" aren't saying 1.6L 300hp isn't possible. Just saying it's not realistic #s. If that was the case, we would of seen any drivetrain w 1.6L turbo in recent car would of came w 300hp.
I know Subaru's technology have came long way... but twin turbo isn't gonna come out. Last time they did stock twin turbo, they failed bad... really bad. Twin turbo space isn't available for lhd (US cars) due to all the nightmare BS... unless they wanna do it like current Legacy... but that still have several problems to resolve.
They gonna use EL15 engine and bore it 0.1L... Current EL15 is joke. Yes, it come w DOHC & AVCS, but it weight & size about same as EJ (due to they use same parts). powerless & gutless. Yes, current EL is NA, so that's one of the reason for been powerless & gutless. MPG sucks as well, it has about same MPG as 2L (EJ20E).
Now, iirc Crawford or Cosworth gonna help w this project, but until I actually see the official spec, realistically 200~240hp is good #s for 1.6L stock.
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With todays casting technologies, and other various items you could add to engine today vs 10-20 years ago. The problem why so many people are skeptical about a 300hp 1.6liter is because it isn't an engine a lot of people are familiar with. And only a hand full of people have any experience with 1.6 4cylinders that pump out that much power on old technology and old engine designs.
In todays automotive world, turbocharging is coming back with the fist of an angry god.
Citrroen DS3 WRC - 1.6L Turbo i-4 300hp
http://www.distrocar.com/2011-citroe...rged-di-engine
2013 Hyundai Veloster - Reports that a 1.6L Turbo I-4 200hp w/40mpg
Even small displacement engines with turbos are coming back to Formula 1 in 2013/2014