[82mm 4g63]

Originally Posted by Ryephile

Exactly! My $30k baby LF-A question was strictly hypothetical and definitely shows the upper limit of value at least on this forum. It would take massively convincing marketing to push a $30k value upon the FT86 at this point, when all along they've been touting the similarity with the affordable AE86 [as tranzformer rightly pointed out]

No it wouldn't, it would take a car that was a lot more impressive on paper that also wore a badge that warranted dropping $30k on it. Sorry, but I'm not dropping $30k on a 200hp Scion even if they get the Geico gecko to run their marketing campaign.

Originally Posted by PAImportTuner

Brainwashing doesn't work on smart people. Got to explain, show on paper and real world performance in stock form. As well competition on the show room from other manufacturers floor to warrant price.

Again $17-25k sports compact cars are all rolled up into one, to a consumer and enthusiast. I won't bend to TMC rules, they'll have to bend to our/market rules.

No broaden your selection there are other fun cars out there for the 17-25k range. Overlook AWD, FWD, and size.. fun is fun and you can aruge the performance of the others either.

Convertibles are premium, the reason why it cost $23k, and the fact of motorsport backed, other features, and already has a name.. tried and true. You take those things away from the Miata you got a $20k car, considering it's shared with the RX8. I'm not even trolling, I'm dead serious.

Another example, take the Genesis base coupe minus turbo, you got a FRS with more metal $17k, reduce the size to FT size which saves money but replace with aluminum parts thru-out adding money and you're back at $17k, add a yamaha head and DI you're at lets say 19k. The price of R&D is already factored into the design of the car itself. If Hyundai made a strong contender for the FRS it would be priced 18-19k and have a 1.6 turbo AND it would outsell the FRS.

Thank you. Why does the GC never get any love? Is it because it's fat?