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Old 07-19-2011, 05:24 PM   #41
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Originally Posted by oneday View Post
As has been said in this thread already, $30k is the new $20k...so expecting this be in the low $20s is naive. I fully expect the FR-S to be around $25K out the door with the 6-MT, while the 6-ST will probably tack on another $1-1.5K. If the flappy-paddles are well done I will likely opt for that.
One question; when you say out the door for $25k are you saying TTL, so really around $23k? Not sure what you mean by out the door.

So in your honest opinion what makes this car "worth" $25k? Also not sure what you mean $30k is the new $20k? I know inflation and all that jazz, but look at this;

Honda Civic Si: $22,205
Mazdaspeed3: $23,700
VW GTI: $23,695
Ford Mustang V6: $22,605
Hyundai GC 2.0T: $22,250
Mini Cooper S: $23,700
Mazda Miata: $23,110

Average price: $23,037.86

So if you are saying $25k out the door to include TTL (so that would be around $23k) I could buy that. However I can't buy a MSRP of $25k as being the low end. That is a full $2,000 over the other cars that it will be compared to/cross shopped.

What does this car include over the others that makes it a full $2k more expensive? No turbo that is for sure. I just can't believe $25k will be the low end. I see that as the upper end with it fully loaded (for those that get the Toyota/Subaru version, not the Scion). If $30k is the new $20k, then the cars I listed above must be the old $10k cars.
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