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Originally Posted by Maxim
I'm really starting to dislike this place. I didn't compare any of those cars to the FT-86 on performance. I specifically avoided that, because absolute performance is not really what I'm concerned with. I compared them on value.
At no point did I draw any kind of performance comparison between those cars (apparently you did though). They're completely different types of cars and not comparable to each other. The fact that I could get either is immaterial to the discussion.
I want to have fun with my car. I want to buy something that's at least competitive for the price. Other sporty cars in the price segment offer boosted 4cylinder engines and similar suspension set-ups. This car is only going to weigh less because it's smaller, not because it's built out of costly materials, thus I am unwilling to pay any more for it. "Handling feel" is subjective and can be obtained without exotic, costly materials as well. Thus I am not willing to pay for that either. Civic Si performance isn't acceptable...because that car is already well behind the competition.
Plain and simple: Listen up Toyota/Subaru. This car is barely going to be competitive. If you want to knock the ball out of the park, offer it with a WRX engine, for WRX money. You'll make less money per unit but way more money on volume.
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I never said you compared those cars (911 GT3 RS, M5, Z06). I did that to show how unreasonable it would be to compare a car that costs $$$$ against a little Scion. Just isn't logical.
However.... you were the one trying to compare a Mustang Boss, 1M coupe and a Porsche Cayman against the Scion. Were you not? You mentioned those were the cars that you are interested in and said it was fine to compare this against a 550hp Camaro ZL1.
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Originally Posted by Maxim
Why not? I'm in the same position. I could go out and buy a Mustang Boss right now if I wanted (and could find one...). Or a new BMW 1 M-coupe. Or a 2 year old Porsche Cayman. Or any other sporty car that was 50k or less.
Just because I CAN doesn't mean I will. If a really unique, cool little car for 20-25k is being developed and it looks like it may actually perform well and be pretty cool, then why wouldn't I want to wait and see if it's any good? It'll cost me less in insurance, the car will be easier to work on, parts less expensive, and how good do you think the FR-S/SubCoupe would be with an extra 15k in it?
Why do you think I'm so damn hard on the car?
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What you can afford on a car doesn't really account into what this car should compare itself against. That is like me saying I can afford up to $30k on a car and say the Scion should compete against a USED 370z, Cayman...etc. To compare a used car against a new car makes no sense. You will always get more bang for the buck with a used car, but in the end it is still a used car.