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Originally Posted by tranzformer
I guess you don't get it. It isn't a matter of what you can or can not afford. You might as well throw in a used Z06 on that list and compare it to the FT-86 which is ridiculous. The Scion is a mid $20k car. And yet you are ok with comparing it to cars that will cost 2-2.5x as much. Seriously? No shit at that point will the more expensive car have more hp, be faster...etc. But it just isn't a fair comparison. If you can afford a new 1M outright, what are you doing on here and why aren't you already in a 1M? If I could I would pass on the Scion if I was in your situation. However at this point I can't afford the dream cars I want. Otherwise the FT86 wouldn't make the same train of thought for me as a new GTR, F10 M5, GT3 RS or Z06.
To compare a mid $20k Scion with around 200 hp against a $50k Camaro putting out 550hp is idiotic at best and then complaining that the Scion needs more hp is just out of this world. That is the issue. Do with your money as you please.
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I'm really starting to dislike this place. I didn't compare any of those cars to the FT-86 on performance. I specifically avoided that, because absolute performance is not really what I'm concerned with. I compared them on value.
At no point did I draw any kind of performance comparison between those cars (apparently you did though). They're completely different types of cars and not comparable to each other. The fact that I could get either is immaterial to the discussion.
I want to have fun with my car. I want to buy something that's at least competitive for the price. Other sporty cars in the price segment offer boosted 4cylinder engines and similar suspension set-ups. This car is only going to weigh less because it's smaller, not because it's built out of costly materials, thus I am unwilling to pay any more for it. "Handling feel" is subjective and can be obtained without exotic, costly materials as well. Thus I am not willing to pay for that either. Civic Si performance isn't acceptable...because that car is already well behind the competition.
Plain and simple: Listen up Toyota/Subaru. This car is barely going to be competitive. If you want to knock the ball out of the park, offer it with a WRX engine, for WRX money. You'll make less money per unit but way more money on volume.