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^ I agree. Forza is my favorite racing game of all time, and after playing the demo I realized it is just a Turn 10 need for speed. In the off road racing you can bump and scrape walls and other cars all you want and it barely effects your race. I was expecting a off road experience closer to Dirt3. I think Forza 4 is still the best tarmac racing game, but Horizen has a long way to go in terms of making more realistic physics that hardcore race fans can appreciate. There are already plenty of other need for speed clones. If Turn 10 is wasting time on anything other than Forza 5, they should at least keep the physics engine up to par with all their other products.
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