[OldSkoolToys]

Easy there Tex, put the pea-shooter back in its holster. I wasn't being facetious, I was just asking what your definition of stupid is, and then pointing out from a numbers standpoint, the car actually was damned good for its time. Oh, and SR-5's don't count...seriously, econo version of the car with basically its only sport feature being the body.

I don't understand your complaint on the brakes. The brakes on my AE86 have always been rock-solid. It doesn't take anything fancy to stop a tin-can car with 110hp. The RX-7 brakes on your buds car seem to be for the 20v. I understand putting the 2-piston calipers really makes the difference, but even with a light-mod 20v, high quality street pads and rotors would also suffice...probably just the cheaper route if you know how to fab shit yourself.

So its not bad...but its stupid. FB is a pretty stupid car then too I suppose by your standards. I've driven both for long periods of time and my AE86 and the FB were pretty much exact on driver feel and performance. The 12a feels just as gutless as the 4A, but rev's in much the same manner. Brakes were worse on the FB, it was a base model with the drum rears. Couldn't even put any of my 14's from the AE86 on the FB either, stinkin' weird ass bolt pattern.

But to take away from it all...the AE86 is stupid because....err, they performed bad? So did my AE86 on its 20 year old struts/springs/rotors and worn out LSD when I first got it. Its also amazing how putting a slight upgrade street clutch on the 4A basically changes its power feel to the wheels. OEM clutches suck. Funny how a few replacements can change that up. What other cars did you drive from the same era for comparison? I won't sit here and pretend the car is perfect, without issues. Its got a laundry list of crap that could be better. Its not perfect, and its certainly not optimal, but I mean, you say its a stupid car...the ECU not good or something?