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Originally Posted by chulooz
Not even 20% is owned by Toyota... now show me sources on how important they are to the project? created?
your logic would conclude that Toyota takes part in all subaru models, unless you want to use an 'if, then' composition, in which case you need to make up a better formula.
Now that you have used flawed logic you can live in bliss.
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Interesting you come to conclusion by avoiding every other point. The fact that Toyota has ownership of Subaru is not a standalone keystone in my position, rather, a factual statement in a larger list of examples showing how arguing "this is a subaru car" is a moot one. It's obvious Toyota has a much larger hand in this car's development than Subaru based on everything else stated. I didn't even bring up the fact that this projects lead Engineer, and his team, is from Toyota, or how Toyota did in the initial research and exactly how this car's target market would like to see it.
As is with all joint ventures, the parties involved usually have something to gain from each other. To simplify this project as just 'creating a car' would be a fallacy. In the end the two companies are creating and sharing technology and business models that benefit both. I would suggest that this car is actually a result of FHI, and subsequently Subaru, trying to empower their global sales by reaching out to Toyota's engineers and taking their fuel savings technologies for their own use in their boxer engines, which despite great efforts, have been lacking in this department. They also benefit from an (obvious) better cost reduction and marketing business model that Toyota uses. In return, Toyota has potential access to the vast manufacturing capital that FHI owns as well as automotive technology not currently employed by Toyota.
In the end I'm not out to state or claim in a futile effort, to show that Subaru is nothing more than the 'Heavy Workers', merely building the car. However, I am going to argue against any Subbie fanboi when they say Toyota's only involvement was on the administrative side with a sprinkle of Aisin on the side. That's blatantly false.