[cgrey]

Originally Posted by Kestrel

Thats actually not at all what I said, thank you for attempting to take my comment to the extreme opposite of the original argument.

My position is that VSC and traction control are not magical anti-crash devices, and having them is no replacement for proper car control. In many cases, the TC and VSC can cause a dangerous loss of power in an emergency situation (yes, there are times when using the throttle instead of the brakes can prevent an accident). The modern driver has become too dependent on driver control aids at the expense of actually learning car control, situational awareness, crash avoidance techniques, and simple common sense. The whole attitude of "VSC and TS should never be turned off on city streets" is a product of most drivers being incapable of controlling a car in anything but straight line travel.

And no, I don't believe the IIHS and NHTSA are "safety experts." The IIHS is operated by insurance companies (its in the title people) which are made up primarily of lawyers. The NHTSA is a government agency tasked with making sure American drivers are safer; because that's what the government is for right? Making sure we're all safe from ourselves.

These two institutions are run by lawyers, and lawyers are no safety experts, they are there to keep the people they represent from being sued. That may sound cynical, but take a look at the majority of US traffic "safety features" and how their use has been 'mandated.' A few people have even said it here "the black box crash data would show that you had TC/VSC off when you spun out into another driver, so you'd be at fault in an accident" and "I would have to think that even a pre-law student could just utterly slam you if you got into an accident and were found to have disabled driver aids, particularly in a sportscar."

There, THAT is my position, now please don't try to put words in my mouth, yours taste like asshole, I can put shitty words there myself.

You're a moron, but I'll help anyway:

There, THAT is my position, now please don't try to put words in my mouth, yours taste like asshole, I can put shitty words there myself.

-Your inability to understand your own argument is somewhat frightening. I didn't put those words in your mouth. You did. They let people like you vote. Think about that.

TC and VSC are gonna make a difference if you get into an accident?

-Yes, they may help retain control in some accidents. Additionally they may prevent many accidents to begin with. That's why people suggest leaving them engaged. The entire point of this thread.

My last car got totaled because someone ran a red light and T-Boned me doing 40mph

-Unrelated. You went out of your way to pick an example that suits your desire to leave the TC/VSC off. Good for you? You do not require our approval. Go drive off a cliff and see if I give a flying fuck.

Traction control wouldn't have done a damn thing.

-Point? How does this relate to the accident prevention abilities of TC/VSC as discussed in this thread?

So please, before you go ahead and get self righteous on anyone who thinks about turning the electro-nannies off, step off your soap box and think about it for a minute.

-Hundreds of people who think they're Ricky Racer, like yourself, will go out and shut them off and try to "drive" and wreck their car. Hopefully they will only injure their car, or at worst, themselves. And not other road users.

The nannies are designed to keep a retarded monkey from doing burnouts, and to give you more traction on slippery/sandy roads.

-Your reading comprehension and powers of imagination fail to impress.

Now I'LL step off MY soapbox

-Open the box and use the soap for the benefit of us all.


I might say you're arguing from ignorance except you wouldn't understand what it meant and in addition you seem too ignorant to understand your own argument.