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Originally Posted by dsgerbc
Professionals use GT/Forza? Tell me more.
Like I said, iRacing is on a whole other level. This is the sim I'd recommend cause it's a lot more accurate.
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I'd recommend the same, for those than can afford it but GT and Forza do a good job. Remember that Microsoft helped develop the ECU progamming used by the F1 teams for their cars through a relationship with Maclaren. Turn10, utilized this relationship and Maclaren shared a bunch of their CFD data helping Turn 10 drastically improve the physics of F4. But I digress.
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Originally Posted by dsgerbc
These GT/Forza-trained drivers often end-up in the walls on the Ring. Cause they think they know the track when in fact gt5/Forza are very poor at representing bumps/elevation changes/load transfer etc.
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Well, this GT/Forza trained driver is working on his 2nd championship. I'm
not advocating Forza to teach you how to drive. Please re-read my post. GT/Forza/iRacing can help improve "core" techniques, awareness, responses and other inputs.
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Originally Posted by dsgerbc
Instinctive reactions to oversteer one picks up in GT5/Forza may very well end-up exacerbating the spin on a real track.
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Please re-read my post. I said: "Perfect practice makes perfect". What you say only holds true if people are practicing wrong to begin with. The game can teach people how to setup their cars for under/over-steer, corrections etc. If you're not practicing correctly virtually, you can't be expected to execute in the real world. Also to qualify these games aren't for teaching people
how to drive but the other techniques or lessons that are needed when out on track.
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Originally Posted by dsgerbc
But whenever I go to a real track I try hard to consciously clear my mind from any bad habits I picked up in GT5. Because there is a big and costly difference between "minimizing mistakes" and "eliminating them".
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Mistakes cannot be eliminated in racing. Period. Also, why are you practicing bad habits in GT5?
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Originally Posted by dsgerbc
10k hours of doing something tangentially related to activity X doesn't help you truly master it. And could actually hurt you.
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If we were comparing guitar hero to actually playing a guitar I would agree, but we aren't. If you're putting in the time
correctly practicing something it will pay off. It isn't the same as practicing in the actual car but the synapses you build in your brain can't tell the difference. There's LOADS of research on this.
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Originally Posted by dsgerbc
And again - there are a few useful things one can learn from games, but a mindset "play a bunch of games and you'll be fast and regulars will praise you and ask for advice" is very dangerous.
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Again, please re-read post. Not ever did I say "Play games, be fast!" I said that they can help and build 2nd nature responses. Again, you have to
practice correctly regardless of the game, regardless of the SIM.