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Old 09-24-2023, 08:36 PM   #983
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Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0 View Post
Maybe these article will better explain to you why Dadhawk and your use of faith isn’t the same type of faith, and using it to relate science and religion typically leaves a sour taste in anyone’s mouth who is familiar with tactics used by religious people and politicians to minimize science. Drawing such comparisons is one of the reasons why science isn’t trusted like how people are weary of religions they aren’t affiliated with. It is one of the reasons people are so science illiterate. It is one of the reasons why scientific findings are met with skepticism and why we have flat earthers, vaccine deniers, global warming deniers and so on. When someone says science is a faith-based type of ideology/religion, no different than theological religions, no only is this untrue, but it is done with malice intent.

I don’t think you two are using it with malice intent. I believe you may be mirroring what you have heard. Maybe you don’t understand the difference well enough or understand to what extent such correlations are made maliciously by politicians and heads of religions to bolster their position and to try to minimize the strength of the scientific process at determining truth. Some religions have conceded the loss of understanding the natural world and are fine saying science provides naturalistic explanations and religions provide moralistic explanations, but in the face of philosophers/scientists like Sam Harris saying science can provide morals too, religions have responded more and more with trying to rebrand science as a quasi religion, so people will dismiss science like they dismiss other sects and religions. “Science requires just as much or more faith than religion” is a common saying to minimize what science is and does.

You can continue to draw the comparison, but for those of us who know, it is either insulting, cringe or makes me question your motives. It is a free country though.

https://slate.com/technology/2013/11...of-nature.html

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/...-faith/417357/
That is not at all what I am saying. I am saying I have faith in our current scientific theories to be able to predict properties of the universe and further the technology of humanity even though we know they are not complete. Cringe maybe, insulting to you , and I am not applying this use to any motive. If I misuse something to apply it to an argument, call it out. I can't speak for Dadhawk on this, I may have misinterpreted his opinion. This is just how I view it.
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