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Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0
You use the word belief, but scientists don't use this word. They have ideas about things. The things they have ideas about are objective and subject to change based on new evidence. People with religious beliefs don't modify their beliefs or base their beliefs on things that are objective.
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Just because scientists don't use the word belief doesn't mean that some of their ideas are not based on something not entirely provable. Based on their observations they sometimes assume things, call it what you want, that is a belief.
As far as religious beliefs, you are wrong that they do not change over time. Most churches of today do not "believe" many of the things they believed 200 years ago, or say during the crusades. There may be a portion that does, sure but it has evolved over time for most.
There are a lot of fringe scientists just as there are fringe creationist/religion. Every human endeavor has extremists.
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Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0
You said science depends on faith, but it doesn't. Testing an idea is not testing someone's beliefs. Faith isn't the same as a theory.
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To test an idea you have to see if it is true, even based on scientific observation, shows belief (thus faith in a "trust but verify way") in all the work that preceded it.
Personnally I'm a stuck in the middle guy. I have full faith and confidence in the scientific method. I also believe things don't just "happen" by accident. There is some sort of grand plan. In your own statement "It is the belief that the universe has a divine origin and not a natural origin." the two thoughts are not mutually exclusive. You can have both.