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Originally Posted by Dadhawk

I don't think I was projecting, and I stand by my statement recognizing it's possible I misread you and what seemed to be you pointing to people that don't "recycle" versus the issue is on the end of doing something with the material.

I read today that the US is recycling like 5% of plastic.

I didn't say that people in the US aren't throwing recyclable goods in recycle bins, and although I didn't specify US recyclers specifically in the above quote, that is what the article says that I linked below my statement, yet again, you seem to be saying I was referring to individuals and not the industry even when I posted the article. That is projecting when you are reading what you want to read. If you reread what I wrote and linked, it is hard to make the conclusion you made, especially in relation to everything else I have said in this thread, much of it, you have participated in.

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

Then you aren't looking is all I can say. Watch an episode of The View when a Conservative is on, or watch "protests" that aren't really anything but paid professional protesters yelling stupid slogans. You'll see it.

Ultimately in the end extremism and threats will get neither side anywhere.

I live in the middle of "redneck/hick country" and the actions you point to are rarely seen IRL here. There are always exceptions (particularly when the cameras are rolling) but for the most part we get along.

You and I typically can have a reasonable debate even though you are maybe 15 yards left of the 50, and I'm 10 yards right of 50. That's the way it should be. We just need to both watch the ones behind us!

Whatch the Wham Bam Tesla Cam YouTube channel and you will get a lot of videos of Teslas being keyed, kicked or in some other way vandalized for just existing. I haven't seen lifted trucks getting the same treatment.

Meanwhile, as I demonstrated in the links I provided, this isn't a two sided issue with extremists on either side. There are always extremists on either side, but the rejection of the basics is all on one side, and it isn't an insignificant number from that side. From that perspective, the right is far more out of touch from reality than the extremists on the far left calling for truly radical changes. The right sees any suggestion to tackle this issue as radical, which really shows the problem with their base. As Arthur brilliantly pointed out, the efforts from the right to deny climate change is a playbook passed down from the tobacco industry and has been played out to a T.