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Originally Posted by Jordo!
Nonsense. In that vid it lost to the "heavy pig" everyone keeps panning (and let's forget how badly it was thrashed by the Mustang...) and its slalom, braking, and skidpad stats are no better (and sometimes worse) than last gen Civics and Celicas. The Lotus would run rings around it.
Everone keeps pointing to its losses as wins. Thats absurd at the face of it. It struggles against a miata (losing on the slalom in the Best Motoring vid, and pulling out close wins on the drag and time attacks), its only real competitor (and I predict the next gen miata will blow it away).
Toyota lowered rather than raised the benchmark. That's why they hype the "fun factor" and say "numbers don't matter". They will to the guys who track the car...
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No shit the Lotus would run rings around it, it has nearly the same horsepower and weighs like 7-800lbs less. Not to mention it's what, double the price?
Apparently you didn't notice that the BRZ was also stock while the Z was actually setup for Gymkhana and won by slightly over a second. I find it funny that you keep insisting on bashing the car because it isn't what you expected. Sorry the Toyota/Subaru engineers didn't consult you when building the car, but the fun aspect is obviously helping sell the car. (JUST LIKE IT DID FOR THE MX-5/Miata.) How are 370z sales going btw? (I already know the answer to that
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I find it funny that you say Toyota lowered the benchmark, when I'd say they did exactly what they set out to do and made an affordable Sports Car, no matter if you think so or not. I have no doubt that if they wanted to compete with the Z, it would've hardly been a problem, but it would've been much more expensive than their target price for the car. Tossing something like let's say an IS-F engine in the FRS would leave the z in the dust.
