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Originally Posted by chipmunk
No hard feelings buddy! I don't treat you as an enemy. If I visit your area any time, I'll be happy to stop by and we'll have a drink together.
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I'd be up fo dat!
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This is where I'm coming from: Science doesn't stand alone by itself. Reason and Logic are key to its existence. I can't blindly believe in anything labelled as "science". If it doesn't stand the test of logic, it's just another opinion to me.
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Scientists use reason and logic *always*. Those who don't, well they don't make it...
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Especially there is a huge fallacy that surfaced up in modern scientific community these days: "Experts say...". Modern scientific communities to a great extent are void of critical questioning.
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Bullshit. I work with scientists week in week out. They are *very* inquisitive and *extremely* critical and questioning of *everything*.
The idea that the scientists are in an echo chamber is total baloney. They want to know the TRUTH. What's *really* happening. And if they get it wrong, they WILL be found out by *better science*. They have a powerful vested interest in getting it right. This does make them usually be a bit conservative in their claims (which is why warming trends are generally exceeding predictions). But nothing would make a climate scientist's career like *proving* something novel and different from what is currently accepted and establishing a new paradigm. But they have to be RIGHT.
Meanwhile you have a trillion-dollar industry that *wants* us to keep consuming as much as we possibly can, and you can rest assured they don't care a whit about the reality of what's happening or being "right". They are actively sponsoring *bad* "science" to fit their pre-conceived conclusion that "we're OK emitting as much as we want!" The days when they actually sponsored GOOD science and then simply buried it when it didn't fit in with their profit motives are long gone. Now they just sponsor known quacks to sell the idea that everything's fine to a public that largely wants to believe it.
Groan...