You guys are kinda missing the point I think...
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Originally Posted by series.trackday
Shrug, guess I'm one of those guys.
I don't care for a track-only car, but for a dual-use vehicle, I'm not going to pay over 35K for a vehicle with the interior quality of the Twins.
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I'm talking about a dual-use daily-driven vehicle. If I were talking about a track-only car I wouldn't even consider a production road car, I'd be looking at single-seat sports-racers and open-wheel cars.
Interior quality of the twins is OK with me. I like my BRZ's interior better than I liked my '11 Cayman's. I specifically didn't buy a WRX in the mid '00s because of interior so it's not like I don't care. No qualms whatsoever about my '17 PP interior. Other than extremely laggy touchscreen infotainment (don't get me started on how touchscreens with menus suck).
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Originally Posted by Dadhawk
@ ZDan I mostly agree with you except for the "coddling rich people" statement.
The manufacturers build what will sell and unfortunately base cars (as I would define it from the 60's and 70's) don't sell any longer. Even the least expensive entry level cars sold these days (at least in the US) are expected to have air conditioning, electric everything, cruise control, a head unit (vs a radio), and a minimum of 152 cup holders, not to mention all the safety gizmos either dictated by the government or the competition. |
None of those are really the issue, they don't really add much size and weight. The twins have all of that (well, mine only has 4 cupholders not 152) and weigh ~2800 lb.
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That's not "coddling to rich people" that's good business, by building what sells.
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To rich people. The poors don't buy new cars.
"Coddling" also includes stroking egos with huge power numbers and performance numbers to point to.
But yeah, people's tastes aren't the same now vs. 60s/70s. Back then people bought smaller lighter-weight sports cars not because they were FAST (any same-era musclecar would destroy them in a straight line), but because they were FUN. Desire for simple basic FUN seems to have waned, and Porsche have decided that the Corvette model of being oversized with massive power was the way to go all along. Doh...