[Xxyion]

For me its less about being fair, and more about what the car is worth to me.

I refuse to pay markup for anything except probably a Porsche GT car. And even then i have my limits. Thats largley because i find most cars are just not worth the extra money tacked onto them. If a dealership is marking a 30k car up by 7k, well then now i have to compare it to other 40kish cars. And when you go up that much, 40k cars start to look better.

Like i'm NOT paying 40k for a GR86, thats used Cayman territory which i s arguably a better sports car, thats also new Supra 2.0 territory. The whole selling point of this car is that is an affordable RWD sports car. 40k no longer makes it "affordable".

That being said we(girlfriend and I) are picking up a new GR86 STD trim in AT (its her car) for MSRP + a few dealer added options. OTD price is 32k