[LanceLane174]

Originally Posted by Yoshoobaroo

GRZ, no question.

Take this from a long time BMW owner, BMW manuals suck. The shifter has long throws, it's rubbery and numb with almost no feedback. The clutch pedal is way too long (German tradition) and the grab point is way too high. The pedal arm is made of plastic, which makes it too flexible and inaccurate feeling. And then there's the damn clutch delay valve that screws up your timing, kills the little feedback there used to be, and teaches you terrible clutching habits.

I've had 4 manual BMWs before the BRZ, and a manual Audi before that. I still have one BMW and an older Benz. I love my German cars and as far as I can tell they'll be my overall go to in the future too, but a great clutch/shifter setup is something I've yet to see in a German car. Even Porsches don't do it right, their clutch is too high/long and the cable shifters they use are better than Audi’s but not as good as the BRZ.

The BRZ is the best manual setup out of all my cars I've ever had, even better (stock!) than my BMW 335i, which had the CDV removed, a completely custom machined all-metal shift rod/linkage, and an adjustable steel clutch pedal.

Then I guess it's good they didn't offer the Supra in manual.