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Originally Posted by ZDan
I don't think the standard tires are slower in a straight line.
2018 BRZ tS with Pilot Sport 4 tires did 0-60 in 6.3s, 1/4-mile in 14.9s @ 94mph
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...-drive-review/
2017 BRZ with Primacies did 0-60 in 6.2s, 1/4-mile in 14.8s @ 95mph
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...l-test-review/
Trap speed in particular isn't as strongly correlated with tire grip as ET is anyway. The new car is legitimately ~6mph faster and upwards of a second quicker in the 1/4, that is a pretty big gain in performance, and more than anyone expected.
I'd say that's a pretty big delta, new car does 5-60 in 90% of the time the last-gen took. That's a bigger difference than 1/4-mile times (new car covers the 1/4 in about 94% of the time of last-gen).
I don't think stating actual measured performance new vs. old is overstating anything. New car is quicker, period. By a bigger margin than advertised or expected. Good news!
I really don't get all the weeping and wailing about *others* saying "it's too slow". Yeah, it's slowish for a sporty/performance oriented car. The new car is significantly less slow, which is a good thing if you ask me.
I don't think anyone is. We have acceleration data, we all know what it will do. Nobody is thinking it's now a supercar.
Being a bit quicker/faster does matter to a lot of us. And yeah, in the real world the driver should feel quite a bit more urge with throttle input what with +20% more torque most places and +30% or so in the midrange.
Long/short: it's a significant bump in performance, which a lot of people appreciate. |
You are talking about tires not making much of a difference in your example. Yet with gen2, Cammisa pulled off a 0-60 in 5.6s with rollout, which is a whole 0.3s less than C&D managed with the better tires.
Your percentage relation that you make just goes to back up my point of the new car not being wonders faster than the old.
Never said it wasn't quicker or even a good bit quicker, I've admitted to the fact and absolutely love that part about it. I agree that it's a good thing that the new one is faster than the old. I was never about the "this car is too slow" life, I've loved my gen1 since the first day I sat in it. Nothing has changed there.
I feel like some on here are thinking it has become a supercar (not literally). Supercar enough to beat the GTI and Veloster N based on those 0-60 and quarter mile numbers that have been thrown out there.
I guess I may be misinterpreting what most people are saying on here then. Because it seems like many are using big words to talk about how much faster this second gen really is. But then again, i'm not disagreeing with the facts, the second gen is clearly faster, and by a good bit, just not something out of this world. I was more supporting Tcoat's reasoning for the future of complaints that will be coming. Because after all, it's not speed demon, and a minivan can still keep up with it no problem as I pointed out (and that minivan is due for a new gen soon). I was also rebutting some of the statements about this car being faster than the GTI and Veloster N purely based on 0-60 and quarter mile times. Again, these metrics are just not common for MOST users of this car on a daily basis. They only really count for those that race it. Otherwise I'm in agreement to the basic truths here - that this car is faster, and by more than expected/hoped. I am very excited for that and plan on keeping my gen1 when purchasing a gen2, just to have them both as a collection.
