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Originally Posted by cjd
Two things to say responding to some of the latest:
1. There are SO many important results from being vaccinated. Like relieving pressure on the health care system. Stop pretending the only useful outcome is complete protection....
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Where did anyone do that? I sure didn't.... as a matter of fact, I was pretty clear that THE most important benefit of the vaccine was relieving pressure on the health care system...
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Originally Posted by MuseChaser
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3. Vaccinated people are far less likely to require hospitalization in the event of a breakthrough infection, and that is indeed an excellent reason to get the vaccine especially if one has other risk factors, both for one's own safety and to keep hospital beds open for others. ....
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Originally Posted by MuseChaser
... the vaccine's highest success is in preventing serious infections that result in death or hospitalization. It's success in preventing mild breakthrough infections or carrying the virus to others is less, but still of course very significant and helpful.
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Originally Posted by cjd
2. If you are not anti-vaccine but are anti-mandate, stop the whining and step up with effective alternatives to get us to a place people arent sentenced to death because the ER was full and they had an unrelated issue needing immediate care. Non-mandate alternatives certainly been tried, with (usually predictable) failure as the main outcome.
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If you mean get us to a place that no single person ever dies because an ER was full or because care wasn't available fast enough, the sad reality is that we will never be there, Covid or no Covid. If you mean that a huge spike in people being sentenced to death is being caused by the virus overwhelming hospital beds and physical facilities, and that we need to reduce that number, there's a couple things we can look at.
How many times has that truly happened? There are other contributors to this thread, actively working in health care, that can answer that and I'd welcome first hand knowledge. From what I've read, most of the time the issue has not been facilities, but rather extremely short staffing. Motivating badly needed staff to retire or resign due to mandates is the opposite of helpful in that situation. In my area, especially when we were under stricter lockdowns, our hospitals weren't overloaded... they were almost empty, and on the verge of bankruptcy. If the issue is short staffing, and it seems to be, then THAT is one thing we should address while we continue to look at ways to keep people out of hospitals.