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Originally Posted by MuseChaser
That's not what you stated as fact; you stated that, unequivocally, 97% of climate scientists agree that climate warming is caused by man. That is a false statement on several levels, and you made it. Own it. First of all, the study you cited is flawed on several levels (see the Forbes article linked below), and secondly, the article to which you referred discussed "climate change," and not the more specific (and not coincidentally even more difficult to defend) charge of "climate/global warming."
https://www.forbes.com/sites/uhenerg...h=422ac4d71157 |
I've read that article before, and I read it again.
I don't see any point in arguing over a few percentage points. I'll concede a few percentage points. If I were to truly claim 97% then I would need to also claim to be referring to a particular study on a particular point in time, and even then, 97% isn't a hard number. There is a certain amount of implications that when someone is sharing a perecentage, they are sharing a relative number. I could have said most or almost all, but that can have much more interpretation. At the same time, when I say 97%, I assume readers understand that I didn't just read the minds of all climate scientists, and I don't know their swaying consensus at any given moment. I assume a reader will interpret the 97% as relating to something with some sense of accuracy, but that the point is to suggest it is an overwhelming consensus. It is an overwhelming consensus. It doesn't matter if it was off or if the number changes by 3% or 10%.
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Originally Posted by MuseChaser
Again, read the Forbes link above. I read yours... you read mine. Regardless of how I "seem to be acting" to you, not once have I intimated that the scientists to whom you defer for your opinions are acting intentionally deceitfully, nor involved in a global conspiracy. I said that they, like everyone, are susceptible to outside biases, and that 97% do not agree that man is the cause of climate change/global warming. THAT is fact.
I have also never said anything to indicate a lack of support for moving away from fossil fuels.
If you insist on mischaracterizing my words, outside studies, and stating your strongly held opinions as fact, I can't stop you. You may wish to cease doing so, as it only serves to further weaken your already weak stance.
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While 97% might not be fact, and I don't care if it is higher or lower, it is a fact that the scientific community, as it pertains to climatologists who are experts in the field of the climate, overwhelmingly subscribe to the theory that global average temperatures are rising, and the cause is humans. This is a fact.
Now, depending on how you ask the question, you will get the very, very, very typical responses from scientists, which is to use qualifiers such as, "the evidence suggests, but I don't know." Scientists will rarely ever say with absolute certainty that something is for certain because they want to leave room for options, so the level of certainty expressed by these scientists should be viewed with respect.
The point is that the anecdotal conversation from a geologist should not weigh much in the face of the overwhelming consensus from climatologists. It shouldn't even sway anyone's opinions. If the person's arguments were convincing then let's hear their arguments, so we can evaluate and discuss their validity here. Until such time, I'll throw in that my brother's, friend's, former boss once worked for a guy who's uncle said climate change is anthropomorphic, and he has three PHDs--one in Ancient Chinese Art, one in French Literature and one in Biblical Studies.
Here is some interesting captures from the study discussed in the Forbes article: