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Originally Posted by falcon_wizard
Just to clarify so you don’t misunderstand my point, I’m not trying to say that Car X is better than car Y »… I don’t know if you had the experience of being at speed on hot laps in multiple cars driven near the limit on a high speed racetrack that you are familiar with but if so you will know that even if you don’t have the steering/pedal feel, you still get all the feeling that provided through the seat and tires, which is quite a bit. You’ll feel acceleration, cornering, rolling, grip, braking, and how the car reacts in each corners, understeer/oversteer, etc. My experience and feedback does not just stem from comparing with the M2, I’ve been fortunate to be in 911s including a GT3 on that same circuit driven at 9/10th, and can say that it was an experience on a completely other level, extremely connected feeling, acceleration and grip in corners like there’s no tomorrow, etc. So while it’s obviously not the same as being in the driver seat, my feedback is based of many comparable data points in the same environment (Including a Civic racecar!, which in the right hands puts to shame many much higher power cars…) So in that context while some cars left me in awe wrt their level of performance relative to mine, the M2 unexpectedly left me rather underwhelmed…
I guess all I’m trying to say is that should someone owning an 86 (or other!) and be looking for more power, there are other alternatives to changing the whole car that are worth considering for the money, for example the 86 platform is able to handle quite a bit more power while keeping its strong driving attributes, and bigger isn’t always better… When you own a capable platform, there may be lots of room for upgrading without requiring to ditch the baby with the bathwater essentially… it depends what one is looking for… for instance say at one point you feel you want something more than your CTR, you could probably spend 15-20k$ (Or less) On it and get it to a performance/fun level that could only be surpassed by spending about 5+ times more… at that point, its a question of how much you can/want to spend. Anyway, fwiw, that’s my personal experience, others may differ… I don’t want to turn this into an endless debate, just share my experience…
Cheers
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I don't completely disagree with you, but for the most part I don't agree with you. There is a reason reviews are done from the drivers seat and not the passenger seat, I couldn't see Randy Pobst getting into a car as a passenger to then compare it to another car he was recently driving in, especially something as refined as a BMW.
Unless you are a racecar driver, and even then, many of the things you listed you are simply NOT going to feel as a passenger until you can register they are happening with your eyes. All you feel are varying levels of g's and maybe here some tire screeching. Now it is different if you are familiar with the car and know what to expect from the drivers seat, but that's not the case here.
Yes this can be endless because truly it's just opinion to opinion, but I don't feel you get enough information from the car as a passenger to be able to compare it to another car from the drivers seat.