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Originally Posted by Jordanwolf
I'd say being a passenger and being a driver are vastly different when it comes to understanding the car from a feel perspective, as well as comparing a stock car to a modified car doesn't make much sense.
I'm glad you enjoy your car and how it is set up for your needs, but I don't think your comparison as a passenger in an M2 to being a driver in your modified BRZ has much value.
Easily if we are to look at anything under 100k, a modified S2000 would absolutely smash the twins in every single performance category, but then some genius is going to bring up rear seats in a performance discussion. We also have older Porsches available.
Stock, the twins are great cars, a car meant for driving and to force you to be better at it; greater than the sum of it's parts easily. Your car is not a stock car, and you've not driven the M2. It'd be like me saying my CTR is better than a 911 because I modified it for me and that I think the driving dynamics are better in my CTR while only ever having sat passenger in a 911.
That's just not right.
The amount of information given to the driven from the car as opposed to the passenger is immense.
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Just to clarify so you don’t misunderstand my point, I’m not trying to say that Car X is better than car Y »… I don’t know if you had the experience of being at speed on hot laps in multiple cars driven near the limit on a high speed racetrack that you are familiar with but if so you will know that even if you don’t have the steering/pedal feel, you still get all the feeling that provided through the seat and tires, which is quite a bit. You’ll feel acceleration, cornering, rolling, grip, braking, and how the car reacts in each corners, understeer/oversteer, etc. My experience and feedback does not just stem from comparing with the M2, I’ve been fortunate to be in 911s including a GT3 on that same circuit driven at 9/10th, and can say that it was an experience on a completely other level, extremely connected feeling, acceleration and grip in corners like there’s no tomorrow, etc. So while it’s obviously not the same as being in the driver seat, my feedback is based of many comparable data points in the same environment (Including a Civic racecar!, which in the right hands puts to shame many much higher power cars…) So in that context while some cars left me in awe wrt their level of performance relative to mine, the M2 unexpectedly left me rather underwhelmed…
I guess all I’m trying to say is that should someone owning an 86 (or other!) and be looking for more power, there are other alternatives to changing the whole car that are worth considering for the money, for example the 86 platform is able to handle quite a bit more power while keeping its strong driving attributes, and bigger isn’t always better… When you own a capable platform, there may be lots of room for upgrading without requiring to ditch the baby with the bathwater essentially… it depends what one is looking for… for instance say at one point you feel you want something more than your CTR, you could probably spend 15-20k$ (Or less) On it and get it to a performance/fun level that could only be surpassed by spending about 5+ times more… at that point, its a question of how much you can/want to spend. Anyway, fwiw, that’s my personal experience, others may differ… I don’t want to turn this into an endless debate, just share my experience…
Cheers