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Originally Posted by Opie
It's a few pages back, search for it.
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Took a look - found nada. I did find a couple of things
From the American Council on Science and Health.
"What we do know is that getting your immunity by contracting COVID-19 is a crapshoot; being vaccinated is exceedingly efficacious and safe. "
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1...089v2.full.pdf Pre-print article from U Cal Irvine Med School Study Dated 4/20/21
"We analyzed data from two ongoing serologic surveys, a longitudinal cohort of health care workers (HCW) from the University of California Irvine Medical Center (Orange County, CA, USA), collected from May and December 2020 through March 2021, and a cross sectional county-wide study in July 2020 (actOC; Orange County, CA) and a more focused community study in the city of Santa Ana (Santa Ana Cares; Orange County, CA, USA), collected in December 2020 - in order to compare the antibody responses to
SARS-CoV-2 natural infection and vaccination.
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mRNA vaccines induce higher Ab levels and greater Ab breadth than natural exposure to infection and differences were particularly notable against the RBD domain.
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This result can be interpreted based on immune selection pressure. Importantly, the mRNA vaccine induces a marked cross-reactive response against SARS spike, indicating that the mRNA vaccine adopts a conformation that presents cross-reactive epitopes to the immune system. This effect
of the mRNA vaccine to induce cross-reactivity against diverse CoV strains is
encouraging, providing further evidence that it may be effective against emerging virus variants. "
In lay terms, the vaccines are significantly more effective than natural, infection at generated immunity and may well offer protection against emerging mutations.
You proposed allowing those who can demonstrate immunity to be given a pass/bye/green card/whatever from any vaccine requirement. I think that idea has merit. If the folks who understand immunology can identify a level of immunity markers in the bloodstream that indicate protection, and people can demonstrate that immunity then I would be OK with them going unvaccinated.
The $1m question is, who is going to want to undergo that test. My bet is vaccine resisters are probably not going to be willing to submit to that.
My big problem with the things you post is you don't seem to read them very carefully. Just like the article @
AnalogMan posted a while back. You trashed the piece for a variety of reasons. The problem is the article didn't say any of what you criticized it for.
It would be really cool to have an intelligent discussion of all these questions, but we need to all be talking about the same thing.