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Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0
1. What marketing? Musk? If the level 2 Autopilot was being touted as level 3+ before FSD, was it because there was beta features of FSD being available to Autopilot? Maybe he was saying Autopilot was providing 3+ beta features temporarily. Again, I don't agree that the idiots abusing FSD beta or Autopilot are naïve, so I don't agree that is evidence for your point. I'll have to agree to disagree.
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2. That makes sense, and if the car is not warning people before a dramatic input by the computer or warning the person to assume control fast enough then that is definitely on Tesla. I also believe Tesla should be actively trying to fix these issues because there needs to be redundant systems like recognizing the neighborhood or something than just allowing these occurrences to happen. A driver could intervene, but if they ever want to get to robotaxis for 4/5 autonomy then these type of issues need to be sorted, but these issues are far different than users being morons with their possessions. I'm more of the mind that "guns don't kill people, people kill people", as it applies to these idiots, but I can get behind the sensible things you just mentioned.
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For 1. I took a look back at some Musk quotes. It seems like he has a habit of providing sound bites that the fanbois and "writers" pick up on and proliferate, but then says a bunch of caveats and such. No, they do not directly state "level 3 driving", but there are a lot of allusions to the car driving for you with no problems. Hence them sticking with the "full self driving" package. Colloquially, if I said it was a full self driving car, what would that mean to you. How about some random coworker? Yes, they go further to define it as only level 2 if you look further, but the terminology they use up front is vague.