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Old 04-20-2021, 03:15 PM   #282
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Originally Posted by Spuds View Post
Without having the time to read through the updated article, there are two problems with how tesla is handling their driver assistance features.

1. Their marketing, for years, has been describing their (not that great) level 2 system as if it were a level 3+ system. The use of FSD is evidence of that.
2. They give the car too much leeway to make it's own decisions without adequately communicating those decisions to the operator, especially regarding timing and maneuvers. The car can suddenly do something unexpected requiring instantaneous reaction from the driver. This actually makes the "machines react faster than humans" cause the opposite problem. Hence the unguarded left tun videos from a while back. Anyway, it totally ruins the concept of redundant control authorities. The human is out of the loop until the car actually does something, and then control authority takes too much time to switch.
1. What marketing? Musk? If the level 2 Autopilot was being touted as level 3+ before FSD, was it because there was beta features of FSD being available to Autopilot? Maybe he was saying Autopilot was providing 3+ beta features temporarily. Again, I don't agree that the idiots abusing FSD beta or Autopilot are naïve, so I don't agree that is evidence for your point. I'll have to agree to disagree.

https://www.tesla.com/support/autopilot

2. That makes sense, and if the car is not warning people before a dramatic input by the computer or warning the person to assume control fast enough then that is definitely on Tesla. I also believe Tesla should be actively trying to fix these issues because there needs to be redundant systems like recognizing the neighborhood or something than just allowing these occurrences to happen. A driver could intervene, but if they ever want to get to robotaxis for 4/5 autonomy then these type of issues need to be sorted, but these issues are far different than users being morons with their possessions. I'm more of the mind that "guns don't kill people, people kill people", as it applies to these idiots, but I can get behind the sensible things you just mentioned.

https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/...rate-to-85-mph
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