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Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0
Which part? I’ll wait.
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Show me where I said:
That the vaccine was more dangerous than the virus.
That I think the vaccine causes cancer or something.
That I am an anti-vaxer.
Still waiting.
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Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0
How have you assessed that the vaccine is more dangerous than the virus? You survived the virus, but think you are going to die or get cancer from a vaccine or something? You are running a COVID re-exposure experiment on yourself and others, but think the big experiment is the vaccine? Don’t you see the irony? Are you one of those cigarette-smoking, anti-vaxxers who “doesn’t put anything unnatural in their body”?
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Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0
No. Experts were ignored. What country did less and had less problems? We have examples from 50 states with different population densities and different policies and different outcomes per capita, so we have examples of what worked and didn’t work well. Of course, we have some hindsight bias going on, but clearly, the former administration’s general approach to downplaying the severity was problematic, which it later admitted it did, so that point isn’t even contested by them making it odd that it is contested by you.
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Not contested by just me, Sweden had a lax lockdown and reaction compared to the United States and had a similar result in infection rates..
Closer to home southeastern states like Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, etc had less stringent lockdowns (and deaths) than Northeastern states like New York, New Jersey, Massachusetts and again had a similar result in infection rates. Infection Rate Source:
https://www.statista.com/statistics/...cans-by-state/
Death Rate Source:
https://www.heritage.org/data-visual...ates-by-state/
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Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0
Your assessment of the numbers is poor. The number depends on age, genetics, prior health conditions, exposure rate, strains exposed to, etc. If we are just looking at statistics, how many people have died from the vaccine? Either they had an anaphylactic reaction or developed cancer or anything. At best there might be highly frail individuals who elect to take the vaccine who might compromise their immune system temporarily enough to open themselves up to pneumonia or something, but I am unaware of a prevalence of this. The numbers on prevalence of deaths for COVID vary by area, but the current metric in NYC is 49,648 deaths out of 8.4 million people, so 0.5897% of society has died there, and 99.41% are still alive, so it doesn’t sound bad, but said another way, that is 1 in 170 people in NYC has died of COVID. Maybe that doesn’t sound bad to you, but it is bad. If we consider just those over 65 then the mortality rate was closer to 1 in 75 or something; it’s been a while since I checked so it might be lower now. The exposure is not 100%, so this rate will only get worse. If we had done nothing then the mortality would have included victims of an impacted healthcare system besides those who got COVID, but it would still be just millions or just a small percentage of society. Meanwhile, the vaccine isn’t killing hundreds of thousands of people in the US or millions in the world like COVID, so I don’t know how you can compare the two and conclude the vaccine is just or more dangerous to you or others you could infect.
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Of course the assessment changes based by multiple factors. That doesn't change the overall, combined risk assessment which is what I was referring to. A healthy 20 year old should take different precautions than a 75 year old smoker with Copd and 1 lung. You also assume the exposure rate is not 100%, where is the data to back that up?
How does India with a population of 1,390,036,134, the second largest population in the world only have 162,000 deaths from Covid-19 with limited lockdowns, lower living conditions and less access to healthcare than the United States with a population of 332,427,013 and 563,926 deaths? (Maybe it
was the hydroxychloroquine that is taken regularly there for malaria?
) Do you really think they did a better job than us? Do you really think the rest of the world did a better job than us?
Common sense tells me our numbers seem hyper-inflated.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
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