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Originally Posted by PulsarBeeerz
Eh, Savage Geese has done many videos of the varies 86 trims since owning his own. They have been largely positive in actuality.
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I'm not talking about "negativity", I'm talking about just being wrong about stuff. In a comparison between '17+ Toyota 86, ND2 Miata and S2000:
Regarding the engine the guy (at 33:52) says "It doesn't like to rev, it doesn't feel free to rev like the (ND2) Miata..." My jaw dropped there. Both the '13-'16 and especially the '17+ LOVE to rev, a lot more so than the ND2 Miata (s2000 is of course in a different league here). While the ND2's engine torque falls off after its 4000rpm peak, down to 136 lb-ft at 7000rpm, the '17+ FA20 after the dip has a rising torque curve, up to a second peak of ~156 lb-ft at 6800rpm and is still making 154 lb-ft at 7000rpm, making significantly more torque (and of course power) at that rpm vs. the ND2.
This guy may have some track experience, but IMO he has no *feel*. Yes, the engine *sounds* agricultural and tractorlike, but it *objectively* is much more eager to rev from midrange to redline than the ND2. I mean, the engine giving you MORE torque as revs climb has to be the very definition of being eager to rev.
It was obvious to me the first time I drove the car, and especially at the track, it LOVES to rev, much more so than the ND2. He's letting the sound overwhelm inputs from his backside and tell him that it doesn't. But he's objectively wrong here.
He also complains about not being able to trail-brake, and the front-end washing out on corner entry. Honestly I didn't even bother to take mine to the track without addressing the front camber issue which I knew would be a problem there. I went with camber plates, but it can be addressed more easily and cheaply with a combination of camber bolts and/or offset top mounts. But OK, valid point for stock vs. stock. Same was true of my 987.2 Cayman btw, I had to get more front camber for it, but I would never suggest that it's a fundamental failing of the car.
Also when researching whether I needed an oil cooler for tracking I came across one of his vids where he flatly states you NEED one, without providing any valid reasons why. Funnily enough other vids reveal he had a *hell* of a time with his oil cooler installation, then had oil that never got up to temp in cooler weather, then had leaks after he reinstalled it after uninstalling it for winter months. I mean the guy was actively *creating* problems with his car. Then he whines about how much he spent on it.
Funniest is this vid, where he makes 3 points about why he "moved on" from the FT86, while occasionally betraying a hatred of people younger than him having enough money to do mods
FWIW I'm way older than him... Anyway it's kinda pathetic:
1) He doesn't want his car to be a "to-do" list...
Hmm, I've done hardly any mods to my car, had very few problems tracking and dailying it over the past three years...
He also honestly mentions part of his "to-do" list is fixing things he's screwed up. So partial admission it's not the car's fault?
Then he whines excessively about spending gobs of $$$ on stuff that didn't work right. Well, if you're stupid, yeah, it gets expensive.
2) He started driving a $50k BMW. OK, fine. But then he basically says he doesn't like the *stigma* of driving a less expensive car that *some* people may apply tasteless FnF mods to. WAT? Nobody's making him do that to *his* FR-S. Apparently driving a BMW makes him feel more grown-up? Who wants that?
3) (not really a point) Goes on about how he's not dissing people who mod the cars "when you're 16-24 you can't afford blah blah blah", basic implication, he's a grown up now. Then rants again about people younger than him having money to buy expensive cars and or mods, practically becoming enraged. Hilarious!
Hey, if you prefer to drive a 3500+ lb. luxury sport sedan, fine. I'm 53 and have a few $$$ in the bank and yet a barely-modded BRZ is (almost) fricking perfect for me on the road and at the track. I don't *want* to daily a 3500+ lb. luxo beast. But yeah, it's a much better fit for a lot of people.