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Originally Posted by humfrz
WTF, funwheeldrive, you and I must be looking at two different data sets -  |
Maybe you just don't know how to interpret the data correctly?
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Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0
What do you do in healthcare? Do you work in Thurston County Washington? That is a fairly rural area. Are you following what is happening around the rest of the world and US? I understand the media likes to hype up anything they are covering, but you should have the skillset to determine how bad things are. You don't think that a virus that has killed 10x the number of people as the seasonal flu, even though we have been on lockdowns and are wearing masks, is that bad? Why is that? Because it mostly affects those 65 and older, so it is no big deal? Because it hasn't overwhelmed every hospital? What metric do you use to determine whether this is bad enough?
I don't have to assume anything. I asked them. I talked to dozens and dozens of my coworkers. I've read the articles where they interviewed people who say why they are not getting the vaccine. Although I can't say why everyone is not getting the vaccine, I gave a list of the 5 common reasons that I have heard and read. Outside of people joking about growing a third arm, developing super powers, having tracking devices injected in their body, etc. the reasons I listed are the only reasons.
If people didn't have fear then they would just get the vaccine. Like wearing a mask, it is how we will get the economy open again, but that point seems to evade people just like wearing a mask. Getting vaccinated is the fastest way we can fully reopen society with no masks or restrictions--outside of allowing this virus to infect everyone until we get to herd immunity and killing millions, which is not an option. Society will remain in lockdowns and stores will have restrictions until we drop the death rate and infection rate to endemic levels.
I really don't understand as healthcare workers why people would want to take a chance of potentially getting the virus and possibly giving the virus to their patients who could die. We have had several outbreaks in our hospital requiring extensive contact tracing and have had several nosocomial infections. In both cases it was determined that what most likely occurred was a false negative PCR test and a healthcare worker was exposed and then exposed multiple patients. Several patients who had been discharged ended up returning days later with fever and respiratory complications requiring admission.
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My comment was in regards to people not fearing Covid19, not just the vaccine. Again, I'm not saying that people over the age of 65 don't matter as much as younger people, but to force healthy, asymptomatic people from operating their small business or attending a wedding or going to church is terribly wrong, even under the false guise of "safety". The bulk of these lockdowns and mandates are nonsensical and not founded on solid data, yet they are pushed by politicians attempting to give the illusion that they have everything under control and are there to keep the general public safe. You say that mask mandates will allow us to open up the economy again yet California "had" to lockdown and implement curfews for the majority of the state months after they implemented their mandate.
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Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0
I'm going in today for my second dose of the Pfizer.
On a separate note: my wife's coworker has a grandmother who is 81 who is dying of COVID. She has been in the hospital for several days, but is not improving despite prophylactic IV antibiotics, fluids and other therapies. She is on 10-12 lpm of oxygen on a non-rebreather, but her o2 sat is just getting worse. They want to intubate her, but she is refusing. The family is going to try to go to Southern California and visit her to convince her to keep fighting, but they won't be able to visit because she is in isolation. Frankly, she is probably not going to make it, even if they tubed her.
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I'm surprised they are using a rebreather as opposed to a high flow nasal cannula? She will have lived years longer than the average US female. It's sad, but everyone dies. I can only hope to live to be +80 years old.
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Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0
I just found this:
This means 1 out of 54 adults over 75 has died of COVID in New York City, and 1 out of 142 adults 65-74 has died of COVID. It got me curious to compare to the rest of the US. About 1 out of 160 adults over 65 has died.
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It probably didn't help that the governor of new york forced nursing homes to take thousands of known covid positive patients. That's probably the worst thing he could have done and likely resulted in tens of thousands of deaths.
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Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0
This is why it is sad to hear healthcare workers not getting the vaccine. I’m sure if they knew they were the cause then it would change their tune, but there is little accountability with an invisible and often untraceable virus. It also is upsetting that hospitals aren’t screening their employees by doing weekly testing. Profits over lives.
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Me deciding to not get a vaccine doesn't mean I'm responsible for someone dying. Also, hospitals do screen all their employees, but performing tests on everyone on a regular basis when they have no symptoms or don't meet testing criteria is contraindicated and wasteful.
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Originally Posted by humfrz
I think health care workers should be required to get the COVID vaccine.
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No thanks, I'll just wear a mask instead.
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Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0
4,259 deaths today. Ugh. New high.
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Better lock the whole country down immediately!! (except cannabis stores, Hollywood movie sets, fast food joints, and other essential businesses of course)