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Originally Posted by Dadhawk
I'm saying it's a much smaller geographic area, and the Norwegians tend to drive shorter distances, hence EVs make more sense in the short term. It's also easier to build a meaningful charging infrastructure for such a relatively small area than it is something the size of the US.
Can I use an EV and drive it for my extended commute? Yes.
Could I drive an EV across the US if I wanted to? Yes.
Could I drive an EV across the US the way I want to? No.
I regularly take day trips or weekend trips that exceed the range of even the best EVs. I don't believe I'm unique in that in the US. That is probably not nearly as likely for a Norwegian.
As I've said, I see the writing on the wall, and I'm good with it. It's just not something that is anywhere close to practical in the US in the next 4 years (blocking the sale of new ICE vehicles). It is very much so in Norway.
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Ahh, so I hear what you are saying. I get what you are trying to argue, but I disagree. I thought maybe you were implying something else.
The difference between driving 21 miles a day average in Norway vs 30 miles a day in the US, or even 50 miles a day, isn't significant enough to suggest EVs are any more practical in Norway versus the US or even parts of the US like California.
As you can see below, Norway is about 80% of the size of California, but it has 5.5 million people vs 37 million, so electrifying California would actually be easier than Norway because of population density, financial resources, manpower, etc. Their population density doesn't seem particularly high compared to other areas of Europe, so Norway doesn't look unique to me.
Norwegians average more vacation days than workers in the US, so who knows if they do road trips often to visit parts of Europe. They probably fly more than drive, but I don't know the statistics on road trips.
https://www.newsinenglish.no/2014/07...ns-on-holiday/
I think when we look at several age groups and the gender difference, we see that many people average far less miles, so a large number of age groups and many females in all age groups could probably drive EVs.
Other countries may not be capable of transitioning to all EVs for new car sales by 2025, but they could make huge improvements with tax incentives and fees like Norway. EV sales in the US made up just 2% of total car sales, which leaves a lot of room for improvement.
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Originally Posted by Wally86
I think he's saying it's apples and oranges because no one in norway is taking a 3000 mile road trip across the country for fun. I've driven from maine to miami and from maryland to california and back. I can't imagine how many days would have been added to my trip to make it happen. Granted, I know the Tesla would tell me exactly which super charger to drive to and for how long i'd need to be there but I can't imagine making my 41 hours trip from palm springs to annapolis again with electric cars where they're at. Not quite. We're almost there though.  |
You don't think anyone is traveling from Norway to all over Europe? I know Europe has a lot more public transportation options, so it might be less common to use a personal vehicle, but I'm sure people do that, and with so many places in Europe to stop, destination charging would make the trip reasonable enough.
We have a far way to go to get to 100% new car sales being EVs from the current 2%. Realistically, we could go to 50-60% new car sales being EVs, and no one would have to modify their driving.