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Originally Posted by spike021
I've known front line medical staff (nurses) who've contracted COVID-19 and after having had it and worked in departments with victims of it, they feel very strongly about how needed the vaccine is.
Can we get past this whole "corrupt media and politicians" shit (also we're veering dangerously close to pissing off Hachi...)?
You can feel free to go visit any hospitals in the most heavily affected places if you want to see first-hand with your own eyes what it's doing to people.
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I am a healthcare worker and have been working this entire time. That's cool that you have anecdotal experiences, but my comment was related to the roughly 80% of people who hesitated to get their vaccine. I'm not saying the media is corrupt, I'm saying they greatly exaggerate the virus which is absolutely true and shouldn't be a surprise because their whole industry relies on views/clicks. Good news is rarely good for business.
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Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0
Most of them are very much uninformed. Many of them still believe the propaganda that COVID deaths are over-reported, but when I show them the graph on All Cause Mortality their tune changes, especially when that graph suggest we are under-reporting deaths. Most of them believe 375k deaths are still relatively small numbers because that is only 0.11% of the population and that percentage doesn't create a sense of concern for their risks, but then when I point out that 0.11% is more than 1 in a 1000, or when I point out that the death toll in some areas is closer to 1 in 250, or remind them that those numbers get worse each day, or remind them that the long term effects could be as significant as 1 in 50 or something worse, then their tune can change. Even that number doesn't seem as bad when you say it is just 2%, but 1 in 50 is enough to mean dozens of people you may know at work or in your family could be affected. What is worse is that the 10 year statistics could be like 1 in 5, but time has a way of also diminishing the sense of risk. Denial is powerful too.
Then it goes back to the false propaganda, misinformation and fear about the vaccine. The risk of anaphylaxis to the vaccine is around 1 in a million, yet I have consistently heard that people are afraid of that, which is a striking level of cognitive dissonance. Anaphylaxis is a treatable event that is rarely deadly when appropriate care is quickly taken. So far over, 24 million people have been vaccinated worldwide. We have potentially one reported death, which is almost certainly not from the vaccine, yet I guarantee you that people will weigh the risks of getting the vaccine as worse than COVID.
There is fear of the unknown like getting cancer. There is no evidence the vaccines could cause cancer. There may be no mechanism for the vaccines to cause cancer. The risk of long term complications from exposure to COVID could far outweigh someone's likelihood of getting cancer from the vaccine, but people are equally as poor at assessing their risk.
Many healthcare workers might falsely believe they already have had COVID at some point, either asymptomatically or mildly symptomatically. This is what most of my coworkers believe. We all joke around how we all have MRSA, so it is a running joke that we all have had it. If a person believes it is impossible to prevent the inevitable then they already believe they were exposed, and this is amplified if someone cares for COVID patients. The few people who I know who have had COVID via a positive antibody test or PCR test are ironically all getting or have gotten the vaccine.
I could go on. The point is that healthcare workers may not be the most informed or educated individuals to be following their poor example.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/06/healt...ath/index.html
https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/c...-distribution/
https://www.thinkglobalhealth.org/ar...-about-vaccine |
You keep emphasizing fear regarding the vaccine, but have you considered that maybe people don't fear the vaccine, and also don't fear coronavirus? You make it seem like the data is scary, when in reality it's the opposite. I'm not claiming that Covid19 isn't real, but when you view the data it's simply not the terrifying mega virus that some people would like you to believe. It certainly doesn't warrant forcing small businesses to close or mandating mask wearing for the general public.
To assume that the people who chose to decline the vaccine are uneducated is rather ignorant on your part.
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Originally Posted by Spuds
All the healthcare/at-risk/biotech (all on the high priority list) people I know are either eager to receive the vaccine or have already received their first shot. Every single one, which is only double digits but still kind of an overwhelming majority in my sample.
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That's nice, I'd be interested to see what the final breakdown is once everyone has the option to receive the vaccine. That's assuming they don't make it mandatory for the general public.
