I suspect any higher incidence of problems with the lugs and studs probably results from this group swapping wheels and tires more often than your average Camry. Consider that if you go two years between taking the wheels off your Camry but have your FRS wheels off every six months, you have quadrupled your opportunities to damage the studs. Some of you are swapping tires every weekend.
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Originally Posted by Ohio Enthusiast
I'll say I agree with the "user error" thing, but since most cars are fine with the abuse of cross threading and impact torquing, it does cast the Twins' wheel studs in a bad light.
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Most cars are not fine with cross threading and impact torquing. Go hang out with Jeep guys and see how many of those idiots break studs or end up destroying rims trying to remove seized lug nuts.
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Originally Posted by PetrolioBenzina
I'm surprised there are people who don't use a torque wrench. Who does'nt love a torque wrench?
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Poor people. Cheap people. Ignorant people who can't figure out how it works. Folks who drastically overestimate their ability to guess the right torque by feel (especially Jeep people). Stupid people who break it because it's the biggest wrench they have and they don't have a cheater bar.
Lots of people.
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Originally Posted by DarkPira7e
I'm surprised shops that do thousands of tire changes using only an impact gun with no torque sticks never see failures, yet enthusiasts who are being careful break shit all the time.
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Many shops use regulated impact wrenches that don't over torque the lugs.
And some do see failures. I know because a shop failed one of mine right off onto the floor.
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Originally Posted by DarkPira7e
Nobody had torque wrenches or nice tools- but no customers ever came back complaining.
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Think for a minute about what you said.
For the overwhelming majority of cars, removing lug nuts is not a frequent occurrence. 99.99% of the customers are not going to realize you fucked up their wheels until they're stuck in a dark parking lot with a flat 18 months later and either can't get the lug to break loose or end up breaking a stud trying. Even then, they may not realize it was your overzealous tightening that caused it.
And even if they do realize it, 1) it's been 18 months, so how do they prove you were at fault, and 2)why the hell would they take it back to the guys who fucked it up to have them fuck it up again?
OF COURSE you're not going to have customers coming back in to complain. The actual consequence is almost completely separated from the cause. It's the perfect job for avoiding complaints about incompetence.