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Originally Posted by Tcoat
You are mixing up several different issues. The cam timing had nothing to do with the spring nor the oil starvation failures.
I will say again, this is a simple valve spring replacement not voodoo. Even a first year trainee should be able to do it by following the instructions. There are noobs to cars on here that do far more complicated work in their driveway without a fully equipped shop. The only issue with the recall work was carless techs that did or could not follow basic instructions.
There were 450,000 cars involved in this recall. The others did not have issues because they did not use the sealant that was improperly installed by the dealer techs and caused the engines to bow up. It is as simple as that.
Buying out a car and giving a discount on a new one isn't the same as giving them a new one outright? Yes when you look at Toyota's total profits it certainly would appear they could absorb that. But it is because they do not do such things that the profit exists in the first place. It would not be long before they were in serious financial trouble if they just started handing out new cars ever time a dealer tech screwed one up. As it is the recall cost Subaru $450 MILLION in revenue. That can indeed break a company fast.
Toyota nor Subaru as a company were responsible for the shoddy repairs that damaged cars. The dealerships were. The companies do not own nor manage the dealerships they sell their product to them and pay for warranty repairs. If the dealership screws up those repairs it is on them to make it right NOT the maker of the car. If you went to the store and bought milk out of a broken cooler and found it was bad would you go looking to the farmer that milked the cows for reimbursement?
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Ok so the cam timing errors were a separate issue. I didn’t even know about the oil starvation issue. [emoji28] Needless to say there were some bugs to be worked out. More than what we would expect from Toyota or Subaru.
I respect your views on all of that because you were an early adopter of the platform.
We will have to agree to disagree about what the manufacturer should be responsible for. Failures due to faulty parts have to be covered by someone. And you need to have realistic expectations about how much will be covered. Most car makers offer 3 years of full warranty coverage, and usually longer on some of the drivetrain components. So if your engine fails at 15 years and 200,000 miles of course you can’t expect to have that covered.
The thing about the valve spring recall is engine failures happened because engines needed to be opened, period. We can argue about how difficult a job it is. I’ve never done it and I’m not an auto tech so I can’t say. If you are a car manufacturer with authorized dealers (that charge a lot for their service), you expect it to be done as if the manufacturer were doing the work themselves. Isn’t that the entire point of an authorized dealer?
Anyway I don’t think we will agree on that, and that’s fine. Lol It’s a little different than buying milk from a grocery store.
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