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DarkPira7e · 02-18-2020, 09:48 AM

While I agree with the sentiment and appreciate all the work you've done, this happens in any place where a performance measurement can take place.
There are always variables in anything because measurements aren't perfect and instrumentation, conditions, honesty, etc are inconsistent.

I'll give an alternative argument- What is so bad about asking for generalized modifications and the associated " dyno" numbers. Even if they are subjective, it's still fun.
I come from another performance world- overclocking. It's exciting to overclock and change things to squeeze more performance out of an already fast product. When someone asks " WHAT GPU/CPU COMBO ARE YOU RUNNING AND WHAT IS YOUR FPS IN CRYSIS???" it's like " Where in Crysis? In a benchmark, or real game? What about longevity of the chip from being handed 1.5v? What about the RAM and MSAA Anisotropic filtering level chosen? Draw distance?"

There are accurate ways to measure performance of a specific component, sometimes. Getting people to use the same method of testing and benchmarking is tough, though. Keeping them honest is tough too.

At the end of the day, it's fun and harmless, leave it to the people who are affected by negativity or feel the need to boast to do what they;re going to do; this is no different from someone in the gym flexing their huge biceps and you asking " yo, how much can you bench br0? What protein do you take?" You get my point. I value your data and most here can agree with what you're saying. I just want to remind also that it can be fun, too. My real pet peeve is when someone posts an "after" dyno sheet that starts at 4k RPM, and only highlights from like say 250whp and ends at 400 (peak), vs the "before" graph that shows 0rpm to 8000, and the graph range for power is from 0 to 600WHP (to make it look flatter).

I know that stock, my car hit my local dyno at about 150whp and about 120 something torque. With headers and a tune, that came up to 171whp and 131wtq on the same dyno. With the turbo, it came to 300whp and 240wtq. These were all on different days, with different temperatures, but at least they give me some insight as to what effect the modification had for me.

02-18-2020, 09:48 AM	#2
DarkPira7e Rust bucket enthusiast Join Date: Feb 2017 Drives: 2013 Turbo Firestorm FRS Location: Vermont Posts: 4,072 Thanks: 3,329 Thanked 4,216 Times in 2,120 Posts Mentioned: 33 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	While I agree with the sentiment and appreciate all the work you've done, this happens in any place where a performance measurement can take place. There are always variables in anything because measurements aren't perfect and instrumentation, conditions, honesty, etc are inconsistent. I'll give an alternative argument- What is so bad about asking for generalized modifications and the associated " dyno" numbers. Even if they are subjective, it's still fun. I come from another performance world- overclocking. It's exciting to overclock and change things to squeeze more performance out of an already fast product. When someone asks " WHAT GPU/CPU COMBO ARE YOU RUNNING AND WHAT IS YOUR FPS IN CRYSIS???" it's like " Where in Crysis? In a benchmark, or real game? What about longevity of the chip from being handed 1.5v? What about the RAM and MSAA Anisotropic filtering level chosen? Draw distance?" There are accurate ways to measure performance of a specific component, sometimes. Getting people to use the same method of testing and benchmarking is tough, though. Keeping them honest is tough too. At the end of the day, it's fun and harmless, leave it to the people who are affected by negativity or feel the need to boast to do what they;re going to do; this is no different from someone in the gym flexing their huge biceps and you asking " yo, how much can you bench br0? What protein do you take?" You get my point. I value your data and most here can agree with what you're saying. I just want to remind also that it can be fun, too. My real pet peeve is when someone posts an "after" dyno sheet that starts at 4k RPM, and only highlights from like say 250whp and ends at 400 (peak), vs the "before" graph that shows 0rpm to 8000, and the graph range for power is from 0 to 600WHP (to make it look flatter). I know that stock, my car hit my local dyno at about 150whp and about 120 something torque. With headers and a tune, that came up to 171whp and 131wtq on the same dyno. With the turbo, it came to 300whp and 240wtq. These were all on different days, with different temperatures, but at least they give me some insight as to what effect the modification had for me.