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Old 12-22-2019, 04:05 PM   #86
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Originally Posted by Dadhawk View Post
I don't know if he's being deceitful or not, although I will say Musk will always spin things in the best light possible for his situation. That's what he's best at, and why I don't but a lot of stock into what he says. In the end he usually accomplishes what he says he will, which I respect and admire, but he's going to say what benefits his company, as he should. He's also going to spin the numbers to his benefit, as pretty much any non-independent study will do.

What i haven't seen is a comparison if the severity of the accidents between their Class Two automation and people driving their cars. For example, how many fatal accidents per mile driven are there between the two, or the cost of repair on average between the two? Maybe I just missed it.
Of course, one could argue that his extreme spinning of things might be a pure product of the volume and intensity of negative spinning that is done against EVs in general, but more so to Telsa. Even Jay Leno said, to summarize, 'I don't get it. Here is an American car company making cars in America, and they are constantly getting shit on that their vehicles will fail, their stocks will crash and that their company will go bankrupt'. Reminds me of how the big three pushed out Tucker.

Like I said, I can't imagine he is lying about the safety of Autopilot relative to not using Autopilot, such that, Autopilot is less safe or no safer than a human behind the wheel. I believe the argument against Autopilot is analogous to guns. 'Guns don't kill people; people kill people', or it is the idea that there might be hundreds of millions of guns with tens of millions of gun owners and a small subset abuse guns or have an accident with guns. Therefore (people argue), we need to eliminate guns. Similarly, people are putting millions of miles on Autopilot and only a few are abusing it or finding very odd situations where it fails, coupled with person neglect, so we should eliminate Autopilot. Never mind that Autopilot might be saving more lives than we know (how do we get data on that, except to compare Teslas with and without Autopilot, but that data is from Tesla so conspiracy?). Time will tell, or the government or judge will order Tesla to release their raw data. Then we will know for sure.
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