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Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0
I think you're using the phrase 'majority of drivers' quite liberally. Most drivers aren't stupid. Accidents in general are very rare--especially serious ones. I work in the ER of the trauma center for the city, so I would know. While some of the crashes could be the direct fault of Autopilot (it veers abruptly--unlikely), the vast majority are most likely due to driver negligence, which has nothing to do with Autopilot. It isn't the case that they believed the car was fully autonomous. These same drivers may have crashed while texting on their phone or doing something else negligent. Autopilot just becomes an escape goat to blame someone else and to collect a settlement.
If the following statistics are true then Teslas and/or Telsa drivers are safer vehicles/drivers than average. A person is 4x more likely to get into a crash in a normal vehicle than a person in a Tesla without Autopilot, and a person is 7x more likely to get into a crash in a normal vehicle than a person in a Tesla with Autopilot engaged:
https://futurism.com/the-byte/tesla-...ot-safer-human |
i think we're confusing arguments. i'm not attempting to argue that the system is less safe, i'm attempting to poorly argue that people are making it less safe by expecting more out of the system than it can actually do.
as you guy's started talking about, there is the relative intelligence and relative financial worth of the current ownership groups. i've said before, tesla is in a sort of oddball spot, as they're one of the first ever auto makers to work from the top down instead of the bottom up. every other car company started producing budget-minded vehicles, and then slowly moved products upmarket as their customers aged and/or had more money.
i feel that the user interface issues are going to grow more significantly as they continue to move more into the mainstream, downstream of where they started. with the release of the porsche taycan, porsche has been harping about how they are held to much higher reliability and user standards than tesla, which has a lot to do with them being an established company. i've been curiously watching how this is or will affect tesla in the future as they continue to move more into the mainstream instead of being a more limited high end production like how they started.
google has run into some similar autonomous issues as tesla, where their system is plenty safe, but most issues arise from the times where the google system perfectly follows the law in the scenario, but the human driver does something odd that leads to an incident.
i will say, that due to the fear/expectations/newness of such systems, any and all incidents are very unfairly weighted against the technology. it's not all that different from that first uber safety report. the numbers look dramatic, but some article commentors started putting it into a statistical comparison against airplane safety, and then the uber numbers for each type of incident started to look safer than that plane travel...