[Hawk77FT]

Originally Posted by Calum

That's where the previous posts lost me. You're attempting to sell something that will drastically change the air flow rate yet you're not using a tune made for the product and you didn't even post air fuel ratios for the tiny bit of testing you did do.



You proposed this product to the community and then didn't follow through with actually showing gains on a full bolt on engine with a proper tune. Now you're blaming the community for the products failings‽ And others are here supporting you and saying potential customers shouldn't expect proper and thorough testing before we buy‽‽

1) There's still a ton of views on this thread and at least a few people that were actually interested in where this went. The two previous intake manifold projects I remember were both based on forced induction applications and therefore were never meant to give good NA gains.

2) Maybe I'm too old and out of touch, but I never thought the new OEM style was good for anything more than a couple of whp. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

3) 5-10% on a full bolt on engine would be ~10-20whp. That sounds pretty damn good to me. Show me its possible with at least an Ace header, full exhaust, and a proper tune. And put the air fuel ratios on the dyno plots. $10k to develop a product isn't nothing, but another ~$2k* for a good tune, and to donate a manifold to a customer in return for using their car, is still a very reasonable amount for developing a product.
Or not, it's entirely up to you. Obviously. But don't blame the customer base for not buying a product when they don't actually have any idea what they're buying.

*purely a guess.

Couldn't say it any better!