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Originally Posted by FujiwaraTofu86

Not saying that the car is not reliable. what I am saying is that it is technically a Subaru, so people can't be expecting Camry-like reliability. And almost every 86 owner does not drive them like Camry drivers. The harder you drive the car, the more wear, and tear.

I had 15 BRZ and it was incredibly reliable. but Do I expect reliability like a Camry? absolutely not, I did a couple of track-days, autocross and regularly drive the car harder than regular-normal-commuter-camry-driver

Do you mean the Camry's with oil consumption and sticky dashboards? I hope not too.

So 15% of the car is from Toyota.

parts are just parts. The FA20 square bore/stroke high comp DI N/A was made for this car first, was it not? The car designed and engineered as a joint effort and assembled in a Subaru plant. The design & engineering is more important than the part itself as design & engineering dictate how a part will be manufactured

Originally Posted by Pedro13

Another clarification I like to express is that the key in a reliable vehicle comes from the design of the parts/components, so when was said "What's more reliable, a Japan made Subaru or a US made Toyota?" I said both, because in both cases the design came from Japan, so has to follow the Japan specs. Don't matter where is made has to follow the "TMS" (Toyota Manufacturing System).Two of the more recognized "reliable" cars from Toyota The Camry and Corolla, are made in North America.


But in summary, my bet is that our "Toyobarus" will be reliable enough, as long as we take care of them, because are well designed.

I agree with you, design of the vehicle & components is the most important part of this and the twins have proven to be reliable so far. A lot of people are well above 100K miles as we speak with well running engines.

btw the Corolla is made both in Japan & US for this generation.


But you have to consider at least 4 scenarios and all in-between.
Great design--Great quality manufacturing (TPS Toyota Production System at it's best)
Great design--Poor quality manufacturing
Poor design--Great quality manufacturing
Poor design--Poor quality manufacturing

https://mainichi.jp/english/articles...0m/0bu/023000c

Originally Posted by OwlDance

Based on the long term anecdotes of owners, the FA20s are miles better than the old EJs. However they generate a lot of heat, have had reported oil pressure weaknesses Within 1000 RPM of OEM redline. As stock they appear to have be slightly less able to be wrung out freely without concern than some other vehicles. Being a sports car however, subjects them to a lot of stresses that most other cars won't face. However for most to have lasted as long as they have now, alongside numerous FI applications suggests a generally feasible engine for both performance and regular usage. Throwing a rod appears to be the Achilles heel as a result of a weakness at a reduced oil pressure near redline combined with oil temps under sustained high RPM driving without adequate cooling measures.

It's worth noting that the FA20 design more or less made Subaru abandon the EJs in their lineup (to my knowledge) except for the STI.

Both transmission types are fairly reliable and similar in capacity for performance. The MT is a one off design strictly for this car, and appears to be less capable of holding additional power, but can be fixed? with the aftermarket. Both are currently lasting the duration of this car under stock to NA modded circumstances.

Great points. Engine & trans, arguably the most important parts were more or less began with this platform and while they have their issues, from what I've gathered, have been reliable to date.