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Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0
You can cherry pick the low number, and I can cherry pick the high number: in 1996 $50,400 Supra TT would cost $82,262 today. Check the supraforums thread I linked with the sticker prices, or "sticker shock" prices, and see how many sold over $50k. It really is no wonder they didn't sell well, and why they cut the price so much in 1997, yet it was still high.
And all that you said is fine, but just to reiterate the differences between the NA MKIV Supra and the TT Supra:
--Turbocharged vs NA, more powerful engine
--Oil squirters
--Coil packs vs distributer
--Upgraded fuel system
--Better Auto or V160 Getrag 6speed vs W58 5speed
--Larger, better brakes
--Larger rims
--LSD
--Traction control
--Suspension upgrades like thicker sway bars
A W58 is like $250-500 used. A V160 is like $6k-10k used. Add up the cost of a big brake, a turbo kit, and LSD swap and suspension upgrades, and the price difference was not only worth the cost, but the improvements were huge.
I don't think the B58D will be enough of an improvement on its own to start drawing the comparison you are making between the NA and TT. Moreover, doesn't the Z4 use the B58D, and didn't the Supra already beat it in a drag race? Isn't more horsepower and torque a tune and some mods away anyways? This GTE version, as you call it, will need major aero and cooling upgrades or something to make your point valid.
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Are you kidding me? I'm not cherry picking anything. I am using 1st year MSRP vs 1st year MSRP. You are using numbers that were already 3 years into the A80's life-cycle. How is that fair? Can I make up a MSRP for a "2023" Supra???
Thanks for telling me what came on my car. I had no idea..
That's the thing, we don't know everything about this "2021 model with the B58D" yet so chillax. If you watched any of the interviews with Tada-san at VA he said Toyota actually left enough room (physical space) for improvements hint hint.
You do know the B58C and B58D have different block numbers as well as a different head design. It's simply not just a different tune. And no the EU Z4 uses the B58C. The US Z4M40i uses the B58D.
On paper differences according to BMWUK and BMWUSA.
EU Z4: 335hp 0-62 4.6 sec
US Z4: 382hp 0-60 3.9 sec