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Old 07-10-2019, 01:32 AM   #913
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Originally Posted by vh_supra26 View Post
Like I said in the Supra thread, we have VINs for a more powerful "382hp" B58D that is a US spec. From what I understand the current plan for the US is to have the $50k-$54k 335hp B58C as the base model and launch the 382hp B58D Supra in 2021 has a track model. Rumored price tag is like $60k. The GTE A80 was $39,900 or $70.1k today. So while both of them are still slightly cheaper than their predecessor, it's still isn't that much off imo. We all know Japan does their thing (displacement tax). The word going around during early development was to just badge the 4 banger as a "Celica". However that was scrapped because Toyota felt it would cost more in the marketing department. Yeah I agree, I think it will do pretty well in the EU. It is basically a BMW after all and Europeans loves BMWs, MBs, VW and etc.
You can cherry pick the low number, and I can cherry pick the high number: in 1996 $50,400 Supra TT would cost $82,262 today. Check the supraforums thread I linked with the sticker prices, or "sticker shock" prices, and see how many sold over $50k. It really is no wonder they didn't sell well, and why they cut the price so much in 1997, yet it was still high.

And all that you said is fine, but just to reiterate the differences between the NA MKIV Supra and the TT Supra:

--Turbocharged vs NA, more powerful engine
--Oil squirters
--Coil packs vs distributer
--Upgraded fuel system
--Better Auto or V160 Getrag 6speed vs W58 5speed
--Larger, better brakes
--Larger rims
--LSD
--Traction control
--Suspension upgrades like thicker sway bars

A W58 is like $250-500 used. A V160 is like $6k-10k used. Add up the cost of a big brake, a turbo kit, and LSD swap and suspension upgrades, and the price difference was not only worth the cost, but the improvements were huge.

I don't think the B58D will be enough of an improvement on its own to start drawing the comparison you are making between the NA and TT. Moreover, doesn't the Z4 use the B58D, and didn't the Supra already beat it in a drag race? Isn't more horsepower and torque a tune and some mods away anyways? This GTE version, as you call it, will need major aero and cooling upgrades or something to make your point valid.
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