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Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0
Again, have you seen the dynos from any other performance cars out there with a 2.0T or 2.5T, or is the Cayman your only example? If you haven't then check out the Focus RS, Golf R, Civic Type R, STI, Evos, Lexus, Jaguar, anything. Have you seen how much power can be had from a tune or basic bolt ons and upping the boost? I'm with @ abraxis, any motor can be underrated from the factory and get the boost turned up. Here is a 2015 WRX [$25k car (not the STI)] with a FA20DIT making 344wtq and 313whp with a tune and a few bolt ons:
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We were talking on a specific context which is comparing Supra, M2, Cayman. Not about motorcycles, not about non factory spec cars, not about what tuners can do, not about cars dating back to 2007 with different regulations and so on. It is useless trying to take single propositions out of the general context and misquote people. If you want to play, then play a fair game within the rules!
Lol. It is that simple. If you can mention some other interesting
modern 2.0lt 4 cylinder factory spec engine apart from Honda (we said this one is nice) please do! Maybe I am missing some interesting engine
. And all this discussion is within the topic. BMW & Toyota were saying they were targeting to make a competitor of the Porsche Boxster/Cayman.
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Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0
A Supra chassis that is stiffer than the Lexus LFA with a stiff suspension would not only be miserable to live with, but would probably perform poorly except on perfectly flat pavement or a track, and even that is questionable. This goes the same for the Z4, even being pretty stiff for a convertible; putting soft suspension on a chassis that is already has flex because it is a convertible is not ideal if performance is at all being considered.
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Maybe you didn't understand my statement. The Z4 has an overall stiffer setup (chassis+suspension). This is what journalists were saying, unless they were wrong. Supra has an overall softer setup which is better for road. However, again it is weird. Someone would expect the coupe car with the more aggressive lines and design to be more focused for the track and not the other way around. So, I would expect Z4 to have the softer setup (more road oriented) and Supra the stiffer setup (more track oriented). Anyway, this is my personal perception. It doesn't mean that everyone should think like me and it looks that factories (BMW & Toyota) had other priorities. There were complains that the previous Z4 was too soft and maybe they changed it now.