[WolfpackS2k]

Originally Posted by tennisfreak

I think you are jumping to conclusions.

The Supra will have the same engine and transmission as the car I am driving right now.

Even before I tuned my car it never felt like it needed more power and (I hate admitting this, first sporty car I've ever owned without a manual) the transmission is amazing does its job better than I ever did myself with a stick.

The Supra is going to way 200+lbs less than my car, have a better weight distribution, and better suspension setup.

Saying its under powered before driving it is jumping to conclusions.

I don't believe I actually said it was underpowered, as a car at least. Compared to it's competition for similar money however, yes, I do. Drop it's base price $5000 or bump it up to 382 hp - then I would agree it's properly priced.

Originally Posted by mrg666

You cannot compare a 4-speed old transmission with ZF 8HP. We are talking about one of the most advanced transmissions available today. For example, Hellcat and Demon also use this transmission among many others. Can you please read the following articles ... with an open mind?

https://www.caranddriver.com/feature...f-eight-speed/

https://www.popularmechanics.com/car...peed-15855273/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZF_8HP_transmission

That doesn't sway me. If it's an automatic with a torque converter, to me that = slushbox. I've driven plenty of automatics! My brief VW ownership recently, was equipped with a DSG (and that's 75% of the reason I sold it after 6 months). Rental SUV I had in Canada a few weeks ago was a V8 Durango with an 8sp auto. My parents Volvo XC60 is an 8sp auto.
I've driven PDK equipped Caymans Macans and Panameras. I've driven my best friend's C63 AMG which has a 7sp auto with a wet clutch pack in place of torque converter.

All less fun than a manual transmission. Would I ever buy a sports car with an auto? If it has a big honking AMG V8 engine, maybe Otherwise, probably not.

Originally Posted by mrg666

So you work for ZF? Exciting!
Everybody is of course free to like what they want. But, I am an engineer, and it irritates when such an advanced mechanical design is called just a "slushbox". Demon and Redeye are only available with these transmissions with 800 HP. They make 0-60 in 2.5 sec and some people here claim these transmissions slip! Yeah right

The only slipping transmission I know is mt of boosted 86.

I have no issue admitting that an AT is superior for almost (or all?) forms of motorsports competition for being fastest. Though I would prefer all autos being outlawed from professional motorsports in order to highlight human ability.