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Originally Posted by Cal3000
The civic is actually a better handling car than the Twins . It has been outperforming the Twins at SCCA autox events. Better handling, more torque, more room. I would have kept the civic.
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lolwut
Maybe at locals but with equivalent prep levels and driving talent an Si is not outperforming an 86 pitting GS vs DS, sure the Type-R can beat it but it's also up 100 hersepers. They're in the same class for a reason, put them on a course that doesn't let the Type-R stretch it's legs (like the test below) and it's a close match between those two, an Si only stands a chance with a driver advantage or a course advantage (allow the turbo torque to stretch it's legs from slower digs where the FRZ fails, sweepers where the 8" wheels can give the Civic the grip it needs to keep the speeds as high or higher since it's not much heavier than the 86 on 7" wheels, and limit transitions where the FRZ shines).
https://apexjunky.com/2017/10/ultima...crows-landing/
Nats results are skewered because rain so I'm throwing out the times, but there's only one Si in the trophies in GS and 6 FRZ's in the trophies for DS. Flipping through every national tour event this year there is only one instance where an Si was faster than an FR-S or BRZ and that was Packwood by about 0.1s total over two days. The rest of the events it's not even close with the fast DS 86's putting half a second or more each day on GS regardless of which car leads GS that event, not just the Si.
The FRZ may be outgunned in DS on most courses against the Civic Type-R, Focus RS, Mitsubishi Evo, Subaru WRX/STI, & Camaro, but if it moved down to GS it would decimate the Si, GTI, Focus ST, and Genesis that currently make up that class on everything but the courses that are lame as fuck point and shoot corvette club events where the FRZ again falls on it's face from a low speed dig compared to the turbo torque of the hot hatches.
It doesn't help the comparison that drivers who want to be competitive have begun abandoning the 86 in DS moving on to other cars and classes while people who want to run the other cars have moved into DS, the Si is on the upswing in GS so it won't be surprising next year when nationally speaking the Si in GS is showing stronger than the FRZ in CS/DS. That sure as hell doesn't mean it's a slower car though.