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corry29 · 11-11-2018, 02:55 AM

tl;dr

Not gonna lie, I'll actually be happy if the 86/BRZ gets discontinued.
And I actually see it being discontinued. Not based on rumors, but based on my educated speculation and prediction

tl; read

1. 86/BRZ are not doing so well in sales right now.

2. This partnership between Toyota and Subaru cannot go on forever.
-I can see Toyota keeping this car in the lineup IF Toyota decides to source their own engine. Which means Toyota will completely do an overhaul of the whole entire car to incorporate TNGA and source their own engine. Because I doubt Toyota will develop a new in-house BOXER engine for this existing zn6 platform (assuming the partnership does not last)
-OR TOYOTA SHOULD JUST COMPLETELY BUY OFF SUBARU AND PUT SUBARU UNDER TOYOTA. I mean if you look long term. The future of automobiles is hybrid and electric. And if you look at Subaru, they don't seem to be going anywhere. So might as well be protected under Toyota. Honestly, if you think about it, how long do you think Subaru has to last? What is there going to be left for Subaru?

3. It's been MANY years, and Toyota and Subaru still hasn't provided the proper power needed to the FA20.
-Don't get me wrong. I'm actually against "more power" to the platform. I believe in the philosophy and balance. But when looking at it from a consumer's view or the un-initiated consumer, the 200HP FA20/4UGSE is not going to holdup to whatever the future has going on between Toyota and Subaru.
-With Toyota going for a powerful Supra, and supposedly a rumored MR-2 successor or SF-R, there's technically no room for the 86. The suppose "3 brothers of Toyota" were always the Supra, Celica and the MR-2.
-For Subaru it's always about their BOXER/AWD. So without Toyota, the BRZ itself does not have a reason to be in Subaru's lineup.

From how I see it, it makes sense to discontinue the 86 in the near future. Toyota and Subaru can't pretend to best friends forever, unless Toyota buys Subaru off and put everything Subaru owns including their boxer engines under Toyota. Because I doubt Subaru can buy Toyota off. In the end, I think Subaru needs Toyota's help to survive. (Or another prominent company)

Plus, it'll make our 86/BRZ/FRS more desirable in the future. Because right now as we speak, this car is not that desirable, owners usually look elsewhere after 3-4 years ownership. At least majority of them. It takes a enthusiast or someone who understands Toyota/Subaru's true intentions and philosophy of this car to keep it for this long.

For those who actually read it, what you think? haha

I kinda kept rambling there, sorry

11-11-2018, 02:55 AM	#44
corry29 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Drives: 2013 Scion FR-S Location: CA Posts: 219 Thanks: 54 Thanked 93 Times in 49 Posts Mentioned: 3 Post(s) Tagged: 1 Thread(s)	tl;dr Not gonna lie, I'll actually be happy if the 86/BRZ gets discontinued. And I actually see it being discontinued. Not based on rumors, but based on my educated speculation and prediction tl; read 1. 86/BRZ are not doing so well in sales right now. *2. This partnership between Toyota and Subaru cannot go on forever.* -I can see Toyota keeping this car in the lineup IF Toyota decides to source their own engine. Which means Toyota will completely do an overhaul of the whole entire car to incorporate TNGA and source their own engine. Because I doubt Toyota will develop a new in-house BOXER engine for this existing zn6 platform (assuming the partnership does not last) -OR TOYOTA SHOULD JUST COMPLETELY BUY OFF SUBARU AND PUT SUBARU UNDER TOYOTA. I mean if you look long term. The future of automobiles is hybrid and electric. And if you look at Subaru, they don't seem to be going anywhere. So might as well be protected under Toyota. Honestly, if you think about it, how long do you think Subaru has to last? What is there going to be left for Subaru? *3. It's been MANY years, and Toyota and Subaru still hasn't provided the proper power needed to the FA20.* -Don't get me wrong. I'm actually against "more power" to the platform. I believe in the philosophy and balance. But when looking at it from a consumer's view or the un-initiated consumer, the 200HP FA20/4UGSE is not going to holdup to whatever the future has going on between Toyota and Subaru. -With Toyota going for a powerful Supra, and supposedly a rumored MR-2 successor or SF-R, there's technically no room for the 86. The suppose "3 brothers of Toyota" were always the Supra, Celica and the MR-2. -For Subaru it's always about their BOXER/AWD. So without Toyota, the BRZ itself does not have a reason to be in Subaru's lineup. From how I see it, it makes sense to discontinue the 86 in the near future. Toyota and Subaru can't pretend to best friends forever, unless Toyota buys Subaru off and put everything Subaru owns including their boxer engines under Toyota. Because I doubt Subaru can buy Toyota off. In the end, I think Subaru needs Toyota's help to survive. (Or another prominent company) Plus, it'll make our 86/BRZ/FRS more desirable in the future. Because right now as we speak, this car is not that desirable, owners usually look elsewhere after 3-4 years ownership. At least majority of them. It takes a enthusiast or someone who understands Toyota/Subaru's true intentions and philosophy of this car to keep it for this long. For those who actually read it, what you think? haha I kinda kept rambling there, sorry __________________ /mfGhost Last edited by corry29; 11-11-2018 at 10:40 AM.