[Stephen W.]

Originally Posted by 86MLR

As for the "drivers car", yes the 86 is marketed as a drivers car, people love that stuff, but not all owners are good drivers though.

Manufacturers MUST meet certain safety guidelines, as technology advances and changes, so do the guidelines, much like emissions requirements.

Cars are designed with the average joe in mind, not the enthusiast in mind, enthusiasts do driver training, track, khana and love to work out the hows and whys, the average joe doesn't.

I would rather the safety features to be mandatory, that way, when I'm having fun in the twisties with the nannies turned down or off, average joe in his 86 "drivers car" doesn't cross into my lane and kill me head on, or run up my rear because he is texting or playing with his stereo.

In the end you can turn the nannies down or off, just make sure when you do your ambition does not outweigh your abilities.

The ease that people get their licence is sad.

Here in AU you just drive the streets for 120 hours as a learner and you can get your licence, no defensive/advanced techniques are required, no emergecy stops are needed during testing, just sit in a car and drive.

I believe to get your car licence you should do alot more relevant driver training, emergency braking, skid pan, get them to lose control and show them what to do.

All of my kids do every driver training course they can, I get them on a wet and dry skid pan, how the hell does someone know what to do when they lose the rear end if they haven't practiced it.

How many people know how to use ABS properly when avoiding a kid running out on a road?

My kid does

But then my kid know how to service a car.

Basic mechanical principles should also be something that needs to be taught.

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The problem is the "average Joe" (and Jane) even with driver training, is a poorer operator than those from my kid's generation not to mention mine! Plus, as stated above, they have no interest in advancing their abilities further! Once they get it they move on to the next thing. There are too many things competing for young peoples attention today. The vast majority of kids today, even those from enthusiast households, are not willing to give up the other pursuits to put in the work to learn the skill of driving, let alone master it.
The dealership my wife works at is in need of three Class A mechanics. They can't get a decent apprentice. I think they have had four wash out due to poor attitude/abilities. Or, quit because it was too much like real work!