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Old 07-13-2012, 08:38 PM   #61
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I swear by Ferodo DS 2500s bang/buck wise.

The best dual purpose pads I ever tried were Endless CC-Rgs but they're expensive and hard to find. DS2500s gave me 90% of the feel and endurance, just seems that they wear out quicker.

I loved both Hawk HPS and Blues on my Miata but that thing was so easy on brakes it's hard to extrapolate. Car never evem got a hint of brake fade.

Also tried Carbotech AX6s and XP8s on the Golf - worked OK but they'd overheat near the end of a full, fast session (possibly because the Golf was a heavy pig).

Tried some Performance Friction PF-11s ( I think) and rotors on the Evo - nothing bad to say about those really, just not quite as versatile & consistent as the Endless pads or DS 2500s in my mind.

Absolutely nothing in terms of uograded pads and rotors could hold a candle to my Endless 6 pot BBK though. I've heard guys tell me that BBKs are complete overkill compared to proper braking technique but the reality for me was quicker lap times, far less fade, far less wear and more safety overall, especially near the end of sessions where guys are running around with no brakes. The problem is the huge cost involved. only going there again if there's prize money involved, or if the 86 brakes completely suck (safety).

I do NOT recommend Ferodo DS 3000s - I completely burned through a set of fronts in two HPDEs once and it cost me a set of rotors. Also don't recommend anything with an EBC logo on it. Tried both Yellows and Reds and both were absolutely terrible in terms of longevity and brake feel / braking performance.

Also can't talk about HPDE amd brakes without mentioning fluid - Motul RBF 600 fluid all the way IMO. I find the Motul to be a bit more consistent than the AP Racing 650 fluid.

Caveat - all this is intel from my other cars. Each car is radically different in terms of brake performance and wear and that's not to mention variables such as the track type, drivng style and grip. What works on a Miata can be very different than, say, a 350Z or Evo or STI.

Even on the same car different driving styles can wear brakes differently and if you've got grippy tires you can often brake less since you can carry more speed into corners...except then your entry speeds can be much higher too since your corner exit speeds go up and therefore max V down the straights can increase.

Long story short - there's tons to consider and no 'silver bullet'.

I haven't tracked the 86 yet, so I'm interested to hear from folks with track time on their 86s. I'll likely compare that info to what guys are running at my local track in similar weight/HP car's and hope for a good starting point.
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