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Originally Posted by churchx
gt86yasss: of course i don't have statistics either, just noticing eg. threads on failed 4th or 5th for high power builds, or very glad posts in some threads about retrofitting some known very strong trannies, or thread about PAR gearset and so on .. but those mostly are from high power builds owners. Otherwise i don't see very numerous posts and threads about failed MT gearboxes on NA twins, even if they (probably) outnumber FI builds imho 25-50x times. Notorious cold 2nd? Yes. Frequent failures if NA at enormous rates to blame on Toyobaru/Canada/Aliens/commies?  No. Hence i have subjective impression, that it's reliability while not bullet proof, but certainly not as bad as to "Surprised that there isn't a lawsuit against Subaru/Toyota about it yet!", and "well known to have weak transmission, they can literally fail for no good reason. That's a quality control issue". That sounds way too generalized and spoken to put them at much worse light then they are, hence i spammed back some offtopic about my opposite impression/thoughts about that. BTW, i'm sure that all cars have some specific to them issues or different specific rates of failing parts. Often mentioned in forums related to those. Twins don't stand out in my eyes as very unreliable cars among all the other new cars in market to warrant extra bashing. Also one should be careful trying to evaluate reliability by forums only. Simply because per one that will post about some failure there might be hundred more not bothering to report that "all works fine", as result generating impression that certain failure might be more frequent then it really is. In US according to wiki during 2012-2017 there were sold ~ 58K twins. I don't see hundreds of threads/posts/reports about failed transmissions to start think about them being fundamentally bad and for failure rate being abnormally high. Also back to TOB failure for OP that started this thread. You don't think that TOB NEVER fails on other cars, do you? |
Again, I can make a similar counter-argument that not everyone owns this car with transmission issues would create a post here, your 2x-5x times impression could be very wrong too. Just think about it this way, why they made a new TOB design? Because they found the old TOB prematured in many cases, it's that simple. FYI WRX is also known to have TOB issue. Some people may say at least they are trying to fix the car under warranty, but in my own case, if I could charge them for the time that I spent at the dealership and talked to Toyota corporate to prove that my 86 was a lemon, they should have paid me an extra thousand dollars, but ofc they didn't because it's not required by the law.
If your argument is that no car is perfect, then you're right and we just have to suck it up.