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Originally Posted by churchx
Twins MT transmission is adequate for cars in stock form. Very similar aisin AZ6 trannies are also in other cars in somewhat similar class cars like RX7, S15, MX5, S2000. So you turbo car way out of power & torque it was engineered for and complain about weak tranny? Please provide statistics about enormous failure rate for twins tranny prior calling it weak. Eg. by data from these dealerships, every 10th has their tranny failed and such after unreasonably short mileage. And that from those, that had failed transmission, majority just daily driven, with insignificantly small number abusing it via forced induction/track use and such. Then i'd be convinced that indeed, twins tranny is too weak and sucks too much and it's snafu of toyobaru.
Even FA20 engine main difference from predecessors like EJ20 was risen efficiency .. by removing extra excess material from multiple engine parts to lessen losses and lower weight. Should we fault toyobaru too that we cannot get 500hp from it if it never was sold non-NA? Should we fault it for oiling & fueling problems on slicks on track with high side-Gs, if it was never sold as race car?
From text after claim of "weak tranny" it seems that you are about not weakness, but rather about something like hard to shift into second or alike, or hard to shift in general due some clutch drag? Yes, it would be nice without such common for twins ill-trait as hard 2nd when cold, but as it's mostly about cold engages during first drive and goes away after short drive, imho it's severity is overblown. Or you are talking about some specific problem that you had but others didn't or specific bad dealership problem you had, but you still generalize and write off car model as bad in general everybody else should stay clear of and avoid at any cost?
Is this car faultless? Hell no. Is it good overall package in it's class for it's price if i weight out pros & cons? It is (at least in my subjective view). I just don't think that some of suggested "ways to fix" such as mass action lawsuit to toyobaru, or design changes that will feature as byproduct steep price increase, will rob some of it's pros, would be smartest choice by toyobaru to make. I wouldn't consider this car if had weighted 200kg more. I wouldn't consider this car if it had costed at 1.5-2x cost. And i wouldn't blame toyobaru as manufacturer if my gt86 fails due me putting much more abuse willingly (such as overboosting w/o accompanied mods to eng.internals/tranny/clutch and so on, or tracking w/o oil cooler & better brakes and so on). Twins are NOT racecar. They weren't designed/engineered/manufactured as such. I'd call them rather "good enough", "good price/performancy", "good value" car that provides me unexpectedly lot of fun for money they cost. Your experience was different, bad luck. But is generalization warranted that they all are bad and every owner goes through many hardships like you did?
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I can ask you the same thing, can you provide data to show the percentage of transmission issues that were caused by abusive drivers and forced induction?
My personal experience, my friend has a 16 WRX with tune and exhaust only and his car has throw-out-bearing issue. My 86 only had a catback and it had new engine new transmission @20k miles and they couldn't fix the problem at the end. You're right about this car is not flawless and we shouldn't have too high expectation, but transmission is a BIG component of a sport car, isn't that what our cars are advertised for?